How do people have the nerve to say Harry Greb would be competitive in any era?

Tunney looks great on film and Greb was good enough to beat him. The question is how could anyone that knows more about him than a video with him clowning not think he would be competitive?

 

he was blind in his lead eye by this point.

 

and old poor quality film and operators show NO representation of how we walk, run or go about our normal 'moving' day, does it?

it's a rare gem when they get it right - see among others Tony Canzoneri & Frankie Glick, well giving how normal & EXCELLENT they look, don't you think their great peers were also?

 

here's some PROPER old footage for yah, 1938, where they've gotten it right...

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the movement looks pretty normal and the fighters are strong, skilled and hard as _uck, especially Boy Boon.

So ALL of their top contemporaries were just the same, the 'captured' film IS the difference, some is normal, MOST is ****, the FILMING, not the fighters!

 

Back then if someone was given the opportunity to be captured by a technical marvel as a camera , surely they would be eager to give the best representation of themselves possible.
The flailing - ungainly and uncoordinated - was imo the turest representation of Grebs "skill".

Does anyone actually believe he would not get pelted unmerciful by Carl Froch...

 

because he's Shite, is that what you want to hear?

200 plus fights, loads of Champion's, Contenders and Noted fighter opponents on his career...

you don't need to see Film as long as there is Proper Documented Multiple Actual Reports.

Film was most often Poor from those days anyway...

But, and lucky for you, there IS Proper Film of some of his opponents fighting others, and even greater for you to huff n puff through, Film of them others fighting into the 40s even when Film Footage became better 'opperated', viewable & preserved.

 

Camera had been around for over 30 years at the time of this footage being made, so it was hardly a new marvel.

 

If you want serious answers , pose serious questions ... the debate over generations and styles is a legit one but when you phrase it as an attack on one of the all time greats you will alienate people ... that aside , you realize Greb was playing with O'Brien who was 47 when this was shot in about 1925 or so .. then you comment on a gulf in speed which lends one to think you don't know your subject ... while fighters may be stronger, speed is speed. Greb was by all accounts one of the fastest fighters ever .. Even Jack Johnson, never one to throw bouquets said Greb was the fastest man he ever saw. Greb was all about speed, punch output , stamina and chin. None of those got better with time ... Just my thoughts ..

 

You must have me mixed up with someone else.
Im talking about Greb , not Tunney.
Id pick Tunney over Froch.

 

Old film can play tricks with the eyes. People need to stop trusting their eyes they will always let you down in the end.

So far as old 1910s film goes that film doesn't look bad at all.

 

Mfs still using training footage to judge an entire man’s career from as if we don’t literally have footage of the men he beat LOL

 

Tunney implied he would go on to be the better fighter than greb.
In 6 fights , one victory means a lot less than 4 and one draw .
It seems clear to me that Greb only got the win first time due fouling and tearing at his face and eyes.
Once Tunney knew what he was dealing with, Greb never took another win against him.
Many other fighter were supposed to have beaten Greb to pulp.
There no doubt in my mind that Froch (not Tunney) would leather him brutally

Toughest opponent: Tunney stated that of all the fighters he met, Greb was the one who was "least interested in the rules".

First fight: In their first fight, Greb broke Tunney's nose in the first 10 seconds and opened cuts on his eyes in the second and third rounds. Tunney was able to go 15 rounds despite the injuries.

Greb's style: Tunney described Greb as never staying still for more than half a second, and that his punches seemed to hit "empty air".

Finding a way to win: Despite the brutal beating, Tunney said that it was during that first fight that he figured out how to beat Greb, which he was eventually able to do in their later bouts.