Jersey Joe Walcott – the King of Contradictions

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  1. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    I find it hard to think of a heavyweight with as many contradictory traits as Jersey Joe Walcott. Maybe Jack Sharkey, if at all. Here are some examples or headlines what I mean:

    - He was the oldest heavyweight world champion before George Foreman and was more successful and arguably better as an older fighter than he was in his twenties and early thirties.

    - His career ranged from poor management to criticism over alleged Mafia connections. `

    - A bible-proofed boxer managed by the mob.

    - He was very disciplined and lived a clean life, yet his performances were inconsistent.

    - His record looks uneven at 49–20–1. However, I would assume he had more wins over top ten rated fighters than many ATGs.

    - He gave Joe Louis hell, knocked him down several times, put Rocky Marciano on the canvas and on the verge of defeat, and scored a legendary knockout over Ezzard Charles. At the same time, he struggled against supposedly lesser opponents. He lost by knockout to Abe Simon and by decision to Rex Layne and many of his victories were close and controversial.

    - Still, he clearly passed the eye test. His unique style even inspired a young Muhammad Ali with excellent footwork and shuffles. He was a masterful technician with superb head movement, sharp reflexes, could switch stances, and was a dangerous puncher. To me, he looks far more special than Layne and even more special than many fighters who were way better than Layne.

    - He was smart, cagey, and tricky but overconfident and sloppy as well at times, which may cost him some fights.

    - He never gave up until he became champion, but arguably did not try very hard to stand up in his rematch against Rocky.



    Thoughts?
     
  2. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I absolutely love Jersey Joe.
    He wasn't a physical monster like Louis, Liston or Foreman but technically he was brilliant.
    Imo he's one of the most skilled fighters the division has seen.

    Incredible footwork for an heavyweight , great defensive instincts , clever angles and solid power to go with it.
    Putting Charles,Louis and Marciano on the floor.. that's impressive.
     
  3. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I've never really made my peace with Walcott, he's an odd fighter. The last time I watched him was when the reconstituted footage of his knockout win over Charles came out on YT, this was about six months ago, go see it if you haven't. Anyway, it's wild. He'll spend two minutes boxing like a technician then he'll lead with a left hook to the body out of nowhere. And step in with the hook. Against Charles. During that two minutes as a technician he'll throw a pushy jab that makes my balls want to go back up in my body but also a rat-a-tat-tat from a half slipped crouch that looks like it could open a hole in a barn door. People talk about his style being baffling and his footwork. The thing is, is, i've done that for years and years. One of my most liked posts on here was a throwaway remark that Walcott fought like a man who had been "poured not born" and I get while people like it, but it was cowardly. It's the same thing people always do with Walcott, his footwork is this, his style is that and I think it's related to some of what the OP identifies. Walcott's technical tourette's (a litlte strong but i'm on the right line IMO), I don't think it was voluntary.

    Frazier made this work for him in head-movement, he sort of turned it into an involuntary tic that made hitting him very clean particularly difficult, but Walcott feels to me like this might the case for his whole boxing technique, right down to his punches. A lot of this is muscle-memory trained, sure it is, his condition was magnificent and everyone agrees he was busy between fights but the riffs that he comes up with, tossing lead right hands and left hooks to Ezzard's body, a lot of times, these punches don't make any sense, he shouldn't have thrown them, it was the wrong thing to do, but because he was as likely to them as lean forwards and take a half-step back - absurd - he might get away with it. But I don't feel as strongly watching him as I do watching Canzoneri. Canzoneri is genuinely a technical backwater, a developed style that couldn't be copied, a vapour of leans and feints by design, an attempt to re-write the playbook everyone had the good sense to ignore (interesting that everyone tried to be Ali but was cured by the time Roy Jones got finished). Canzoneri feels alien in a way Walcott really does not. Walcott is as beautifully balanced as any meat/potatoes fighter you might meet and if you click the Charles KO on at a random moment you might see him circle left to stay out of that right hand, feint with a jab, dip the head and engage in a clinch having felt something he doesn't like. It looks like chief support on a big card from Saturday night. The he'll land a long right hand followed by a short right hand, but he hasn't done anything to close the distance. He will land a long right hand to the head, sort of change the shape of his body and land another right hand, that is short, a shortarm punch with the elbow pointing down. How did he do that?

    His geometry feels a little different and i've never really done the work to understand what he's up to. I was wracking my brains to think about guys who remind me of him in other sports (because there are NO BOXERS LIKE JJW) and the nearest I could come was Steve Smith in cricket and Vasily Ivanchuk in chess :lol: These are brilliant sportsmen who are simultaneously limited by and exalted by their strangeness in execution. So Midget Wolgast, Tony Canzoneri, those men were their styles to a degree, but Ivanchuk and Smith feel like they could have been GOAT types if they could be cured of certain aspects.

    I digress. Returning to boxing, Walcott maybe has the best jab to the body of any heavyweight and he is absolutely not in the discussion for best jabs to the head, you could name two dozen guys with better traditional jabs. Wtf even is that? There is loads of stuff like that about JJW and nobody has really done the work IMO. Must do better!

    EDIT: @Fergy i been fiddling with this post for ages and didn't see you writing about JJW's footwork before I did this post, not meant as a dig or anything at all.
     
  4. nyterpfan

    nyterpfan Active Member Full Member

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    Some really well thought out posts on this thread already--great stuff!

    I agree there was an inconsistency to Walcott--(which was caused by a lot of different factors.) BUT, as Fergy stated Jersey Joe had fabulous technical skills along with a solid punch! (Putting Charles, Louis and Marciano on the deck is a HELL of a feat--not too many guys could've done that!!) He's a fighter that on any given night could've given ANY HW in history a very tough battle when he was at his best!
     
  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Lol no problem pal.
     
  6. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    A Journeyman who waited for his chance when the division was at its weakest. Patience paid. A great lesson to be learned.
     
  7. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes because he had found the title shot glitch. He got 5 title shots coming off losses and he narrowly avoided another 5. Before fighting for the title he beat two of his toughest opponents because one stopped trying and the other randomly passed out. It makes sense he was religious when Walcott prayed God listened.


    Walcott was the oldest lineal HW champion before Foreman. Joe Goddard, George Godfrey and Archie Moore were older HW champs. Louis was the same age when he won the British world title. I don't think Walcott got better in the late 40s I think the HW division(and Louis himself) got worse. Louis lost his power after the Mauriello fight. The Simon fight shows how much of an upphill battle it would have been if the best HWs of Louis's era had kept fighting. Not to single out Walcott this is true of the whole gang Elmer Ray, Ezzard Charles, Baksi, Maxim, Bivins.
     
  8. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    What is a "Bible proofed boxer"?
     
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  9. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    I can watch JJW all day. Alot of things to pick up on and try.
     
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  10. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Is there any FULL fights of his to watch other then the first Marciano bout?
     
  11. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    Just one argument or headline among several that creates a sense of contrast and sounds somewhat sensational is:
    “A bible-proofed boxer managed by the mob.”

    Walcott was a devout and deeply religious Christian, which makes the combination of a rough, brutal sport like boxing and being managed by the mob appear contradictory.
    Admittedly, this is not a particularly strong argument, as there are many other deeply religious Christian boxers, such as comeback George Foreman or Evander Holyfield…
    The Italian Mafia, too, has traditionally identified as devout Catholic, at least in its own self-perception.
    But anyway, it still seems somewhat contradictory to me.
     
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  12. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    he was arguably one of the 10 Greatest HW's/Fighters of all time.

    the reason people come up with such ridiculous conclusions about a lot of great fighters is beyond me and I think they simply just underestimate just how good the Top fighters really were, especially some Era's over others, but they also forgot that even TOP fighters can, will and should occasionally lose to Top fighters, especially in Era's where the Top meet others willingly...

    as I've said before about TOP/Top/top fighters, they are GREAT, Great and great with very little between them, it's that simple.

    all the Ringside Commentators, Media Hype is often just waffle.

    JJW, is an ATG and it's not even a discussion.
     
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  13. The Fighting Yoda

    The Fighting Yoda Active Member Full Member

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    Well, I’m a big Jersey Joe Walcott fan myself.

    I find it inspiring that he had such a unique, individual career and that he can’t be placed into any conventional category. A great champion against the odds.

    In general, I try to treat everyone with respect… I hope that’s not misunderstood!
     
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  14. Reinhardt

    Reinhardt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well said!. Nicely thought out and well reasoned .
     
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  15. thistle

    thistle Boxing Junkie

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    nothing to worry about, I never thought you, or that most others even are those types of people who sort of miss the obvious while focusing on the critiques that are often mostly just hyperbolic spew...

    there are some of these people on Boxing forums, of course there are, but most are not too 'stuck' on such things to miss the obvious... Don't worry man.
     
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