Usyk in the paradoxical position that retiring would boost his legacy.

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  1. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    BubblesUK said it best when he said (slight paraphrase) that he is in a place of diminishing returns in terms of both money and legacy when it comes to potential opponents. He is looking for blasts from the past like Wilder and Ruiz because he does not perceive guys like Wardley or Kabayel as being "big fights" like Fury and Joshua. But no one cares about Wilder or Ruiz anymore, in America or anywhere else. I actually think he 100% blew it by not signing Parker, at least in terms of legacy.

    Now, if he just retired, he could boost his legacy by simply letting those he has beaten rise.

    FURY- says he's coming back. It is going to be a long road to hoe, and I am not sure he will make the splash he thinks he will, but imagine if he managed to beat Warldley, or ANYBODY for one of the titles Usyk surrenders. Suddenly, Fury is looking a little great-ish himself.

    GASSIEV- 32 years old, had a legit great unified cruiserweight championship run, and has now found his way to a WBA "regular" heavyweight title. IF Usyk retired, he would presumably be promoted to full champ, or at least allowed to fight for it. It seems funny, because he spent so long in the wilderness of injuries, inactivity, and the loss the Wallin, but he could literally become the fourth man to "win" a heavyweight title after cruiserweight just by Usyk retiring. Imagine if he had a decent run after that?

    DUBOIS- 27 years old, and has already been a titlist. We all know his limitations, but he could easily have another title in his future.

    JOSHUA- we don't even know if he's coming back, and if he does, we don't know his mental state. But as a two-time champ, he is essentially in the same place as Fury,

    And if Fury and Joshua actually fought, you would have to elevate the winner considerably, even given the circumstances.

    I am going to join the chorus saying Usyk should just retire and let these guys build his legacy for him,
     
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  2. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The main problem with Usyks career is his resume being too short and how he wasted the primes of dozens of talented HWs who already had to put up with 8 years of Tyson Furys nonsense.

    Retiring doesn't help his legacy. What would help his legacy is actually being a champion and fighting new contenders. Not Andy Ruiz, not Deontay Wilder not Chisora Kabayel, Hrgovic, Frank Sanchez, Bakole, Okolie, Ajagba.

    Dubois and Gassiev ok but Fury and Joshua aren't building anything for Usyk. Dubois is unlikely to ever be regarded higher then he was the day he beat Joshua. Dubois is a ticket that cashed for Usyk already.

    I actually agree with Bubbles on Wardley as an individual. Theres a healthy chance Wardley never wins a big fight again. That fight would probably end up being a big waste of time in the long run. But theres dozens of others.
     
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  3. like a boss

    like a boss have gloves will travel Full Member

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    Usyk would be wise to retire before someone hands him an L and removes some of his mystique.

    Numerous have retired with one loss. Not many have retired undefeated.
     
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  4. PrimoGT

    PrimoGT Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Fury and Joshua are complete write-offs now. They're not relevant in 2026. Just names to generate money, perhaps. They won't beat anyone relevant. Fighting each other does nothing for their rating against the field of actual contenders.

    Gassiev isn't doing ****. This guy can't even beat Wallin. He's in a lower league. Not a real contender.

    Dubois can win some, lose some.
     
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  5. Special one

    Special one Active Member Full Member

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    Fighting the best available and deserving opponents will always add to a fighters legacy. Usyk can do this by fighting Kabayel or Wardley rather than a washed up Wilder or Ruiz.
     
  6. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Agreed. The division is low on talent right now, best get out after crushing the best of a pretty solid era before losing in a weaker one.. Fury and Joshua are good scraps even if they came a little late, and DuBois is a solid win. A shame he couldn't get Wilder before he was shot.. Still, a loss to Wardley or Kabayel would be worse than if he had lost to AJ or Fury when they fought - regardless of what their many haters would say.
     
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  7. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    You are wrong because they will probably fight each other. A win elevates the winner, and a good series elevates then both.

    You don't get it...he's already WBA regular champ. Usyk retiring will elevate him to WBA champ.

    27 year old former champ. Plenty of time to find his way to one of four belts.
     
  8. brb

    brb Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He needs to fight more. Anyone can look up boxer's records and see that there were plenty of HW champs that had more than 24 fights with several title defenses and think they should outrank Usyk. If Usyk can beat 2-3 more top contenders than it gets harder to make that argument.
     
  9. DaRealJT

    DaRealJT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Some good points here. I’d say Fury is the biggest key: if he mounts a good comeback, i.e. gets past Makhmudov, then beats Wardley for the WBO, maybe defends it vs. AJ or another good contender, people will re-evaluate Fury’s historical standing as a 3x champion who only ever lost to Usyk, and then of course Usyk’s greatness will go up too.
     
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  10. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    Agreed. He should retire. Having that 0 does a lot for a legacy. Losses while shot and past it shouldn't mean much but they are still losses and it takes luster away. Even if it's just in the eyes of some people.
     
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  11. KO KIDD

    KO KIDD Loyal Member Full Member

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    In my view there is not much that Usyk can do to truly diminish his legacy which I think is set in stone

    1) if he were to lose, he is old and at a weight above his best
    2) he beat the biggest names and best fighters in the division

    I understand people being upset with Wilder or Ruiz fights. I think he is entitled to a soft touch. That said, if he fights those guys and stays on a soft touch tour while more deserving guys don't get shots I would be upset if this turns into a trend.

    If he faces Wilder or Ruiz then faces Kabayel or Wardley or someone who surpasses them I would be fine with that path and forgive an easy next fight. Plus, retiring champs kill lineages and I would rather see a title change hands in the ring
     
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  12. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree, no real legacy to be gained. No Canelo type out there to pick off a la Mayweather.

    He may be posturing and will retire after sitting around. There was a lot of talk from him about how he couldn't box much longer during his last camp.
     
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  13. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    If I was Usyk I would retire he has nothing left to prove.
    I don't think beating the likes of Wardley or Kabayel will really enhance his legacy. It would be impressive but not necessary.