Usyk, Kabayel, Wardley and Itauma are overrated and Hrgovic is underrated - long analysis

Dubois weighed 244 lbs in November 2020 against Joyce. He weighed 245 against Hrgovic in June 2024. Body composition was pretty much the same.

He just weighed in uncharacteristically low for the first Usyk fight. It was his lowest weight since his pro debut I think.

 

No, I'm not telling you what you were trying to say, don't put words in my mouth - I'm telling you why it's not a suitable analogy UNLESS you think that everyone is wrong and just can't see it (which is a dumb opinion given the evidence available).

Fury's significantly more skilful and similar power (not nothing, but not particularly powerful for a heavy) - it's easy enough saying what you'd want to do to Usyk, lots of people say they have a plan... Then find he's way too good to execute it.

Hrgovic isn't going to succeed on that where higher level guys with better ring IQ have failed.

If you think Hrgovic is better than AJ or Fury on pretty much any metric besides pure chin strength you're simply wrong - and Chisora can be more competitive at times simply because he has way more power and isn't afraid to eat a few shots to use it (not that Hrgovic is afraid of using his chin, but he lacks the power).

And this is basically the problem - you think Hrgovic is way, way better than he is...

He's not winning 7 rounds against Usyk, he'd be lucky to win 2 or 3.

There's levels to this, and Hrgovic just doesn't have it - he's okay, but he's not really even a contender, he's just too mediocre in too many ways.

 

Your Croatian objectivity is quaint. Hrgovic got a huge gift against Zhang. Enough said.

 

I just don't think there's any point in talking - you overrate Hrgovic like CRAZY man... Like, way, way beyond what anyone else does here - including your compatriot @CroBox29 who has always been a big fan but is a lot more realistic about his limitations, an honesty I have huge respect for.

That's a lot of words to state the obvious... Joshua was a murderous puncher when he really let his hands go - the punch that stopped Ngannou is one of the most brutal you'll ever see.

Hrgovic isn't in the same ballpark whatsoever for power.

Org rankings are trash, pretty much always have been.

He blows his load early - that's not better stamina, it's poor discipline to use his limited stamina so quickly... He fades badly basically every time.

A fighter with "bigger testicles" wouldn't have hidden after Zhang fighting low calibre journeymen to save his ranking position - he'd have tried to build with better fights and force himself into position...

And you have no evidence whatsoever that he'd put more pressure on Usyk - even if he had the stamina to do it long enough to win enough rounds (which he doesn't), he lacks the speed and the ring IQ... He'd get destroyed by Usyk - probably more one-sided than Dubois 2.

Why are we talking about fighting a journeyman and the completely shot zombie of a massively overhyped fighter as if they tell us ANYTHING about how he'd be able to perform against top level fighters? It's just nonsense.

Hrgovic would be missing or hitting glove constantly against Usyk - he's a totally different calibre of opponent.

Even IF Hrgovic had the stamina to throw enough, he wouldn't be able to score enough to beat him.

It's a mismatch, to even consider it worth pontificating on is madness.

Well at least you've got one thing right - Usyk could stand still with his hands down and Hrgovic probably still wouldn't be able to one-punch KO him.

It wouldn't be a war, it'd be a schooling and Hrgovic would be the whipping boy - he'd lose wide on cards, realistically, 99/100... Neither is stopping the other (unless Hrgovic cuts open again, but that aside) and Usyk is so many levels above technically, and in terms of speed and stamina... It's an elite ATG against a decent durable gatekeeper - a complete mismatch.

Every fighter is a slightly different combination - Usyk has fought MUCH better fighters and dominated them, Hrgovics combination of attributes doesn't add up in a special way that makes him greater than the sum of his parts... If anything, the opposite is the case.

This is simply rubbish...

Fury and AJ outrank him on basically every metric (and massively on some). They were a very clear level above, if not two.

Chisora and Dubois have more realistic paths to victory against decent fighters - they have their weaknesses, but they're more effective as overall packages.

Again, I just think you're massively overrating Hrgovic - he's had few fights against gatekeeper or contender opponents (3) and hasn't looked massively special in any of them... And I'm being generous by including Joyce for you.

He lost 1/3.

He has 0 KO's at that gatekeeper/contender level.

His wins at that level have both come against VERY slow, concrete-footed and old opponents (Zhang and Joyce).

Zhang is literally 50/50 against good opponents, and famous for a terrible gas tank and Hrgovic only just squeezed past him (and plenty think it should've gone - I think he did just about enough).

Joyce he won wide, rightly, but Joyce was shot to bits, even slower than he'd been even in his prime and asks zero questions of your ability to land punches (as he just lets them land)... Failing to make a dent isn't a particular knock to Hrgovic given how durable Joyce was, but all the same it doesn't suggest nearly as much about Hrgovic ability against contenders as I suspect you believe.


Hrgovic just isn't special - it's really not that complicated, he's a limited fighter with a few things going for him but as an overall package he's not going to be beating legit contenders.

 

Sorry buddy, but either your assessment is massively biased in his favour...

Or...

The vast majority opinion is massively biased against him - AND it's a fix that he's not looked particularly special so far.


Believe what you want, that's your right, but you come across as hopelessly biased. Not an insult, just saying it how it is.

 

I won't give any more predictions about my countryman, I just expect good fights and that's it...

 

You certainly wouldn't say he's the best heavyweight and would have a good chance against Usyk, though, would you?

 

Usyk is currently invincible, Hrgovic would lose, but maybe he would last all the rounds xD

 

I can't see either winning by stoppage (except cuts) to be honest... But I can't see Hrgovic winning more than a couple of rounds either.

 

Then your friend is as clueless as you are - Cro occasionally backs the underproven fighter a bit too much, but he revises his opinions with evidence... Something you don't appear capable of.

You don't have a clue what you're talking about - I basically never rely on official rankings and constantly criticise people for trusting them when they're clearly wrong.

I'm done, you can join the elite group of morons on my ignore list - it's an achievement, of sorts.

 

Seriously, what the **** is wrong with you? I thought you were just a superfan, which I could respect. But with this garbage post, you make it clear that you're nothing but a simple-minded nationalistic nuthugger which is the absolute worst type of "boxing fan" I've encountered and anything you say should be taken with a pinch of salt.

And again, there's no "truth" or "falsehood" to an opinion. You are entitled to have the opinion that Hrgovic is the best HW, but It's just that, opinion. The only truth we have right now is that he fought for an interim title once and was beaten. And no amount of excuses would change that, as It's the "truth".