Would James Toney have struggled with Joe Calzaghe?

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Could Calzaghe beat Toney? 1997 or ever?

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  2. No

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  1. Terror

    Terror free smoke Full Member

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    Prime for prime on paper, this looks like a matchup that James Toney would easily win. So I'm going to dig into it because it's interesting to me and I'd like to hear thoughts from you all.

    Since Calzaghe is a relatively unorthodox and at times sloppy fighter who puts a lot of volume out there and James Toney is sharpshooter with really good pop and enough toughness and defense to not be affected by Joe's work it seems obvious that Toney would win.

    That being said, James also strikes me as the kind of guy who would have trouble with the pace that Joe would put on him. James has had some great fights (Jirov, McCallum series, Barkley) and I think that version of James could present some opportunities.

    I do think that James was hittable despite having crisp defense, but he is stationary which is the opposite of Joe. In many of his close fights and defeats, it felt like Toney's opponent was able to increase the rhythm and make James fight outside of his smooth pocket.

    This is where I think Joe would be able to make his money. James was often too chill in there and he viewed work that was not effective as completely useless. As a result, he would let guys outwork him if he felt that they weren't damaging him or he didn't respect what they were doing. I think that getting tapped and occasionally zapped by a bunch of southpaw unorthodox peppering shots would be an interesting experience for James. And I'm not sure he would tighten up and react the way he needed to to win the fight. In fact, it strikes me that he may potentially be content to take the big money, lose a decision and win down the line at some point.

    So my question is, in England for the WBO title at 168. In 1997, right after beating McCallum, Toney fights Joe Calzaghe. Joe fights Toney instead of Chris Eubank in his step up and Toney makes 168. Could Joe realistically stand a chance with his pace, punch selection and weird flowy style? He was still popping decently in '97 and Eubank said it felt like getting hit by bricks to take a punch off Joe for what its worth. I think Joe could get into the fight fast with some good work, then James would find his timing and adjust. Then what? Who wins?

    Feel free to expand this hypothetical to fully prime for prime, but I feel like this is a fairly even matchup as James Toney went on to lose his next match in an upset vs Drake Thadzi for a sham title in Connecticut and Joe ended up having a long illustrious career sparked by the Eubank victory. You could take that James Toney or you could take a perfect and motivated James Toney (one who may not have shown up for a regional contender).
     
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  2. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with you …Calzaghe’s best chance is to outwork Toney with his volume…this one has controversial decision written all over it
     
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  3. Bronze Tiger

    Bronze Tiger Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Harold Lederman would have Toney winning
     
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  4. THE BLADE 2

    THE BLADE 2 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At 168 Toney was at his best. I think Toney wins this one by decision. He would land the more powerful cleaner blows.
     
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  5. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Calzaghe schools Toney, he's too flat footed
     
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  6. KO_King

    KO_King Horizontal Heavyweight Full Member

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    At their best, I would back Toney. The problem was that he was a bit erratic.
     
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  7. Reallymakesmethink

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    Calzaghe hasn’t really faced anyone like him, whereas you could sayToney has he’s faced tricky, slick, high-volume southpaws. Calzaghe’s defense wasn’t very good, and against Toney, I can see him getting dropped.
     
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  8. Robbi

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    Calzaghe would beat Toney.

    History pretty much tells us he would, because Toney was involved in a few close and controversial decisions where he was lazy during fights. Don’t forget the Jones and Griffin losses either.

    Toney had serious issues with busy, awkward, fast-handed fighters. Fact.

    I’d even go as far to say that Calzaghe is up there with the worst styles in boxing history that Toney could face.
     
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  9. Boxed Ears

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    I have every bias for Toney here and I assume Calzaghe slaps into a win, outhustling James significantly enough the more likely the conclusion than Toney sharpshooting easily with Calzaghe being too sloppy to really do anything about it. I'm not saying it couldn't turn into the opposite, and I assume there would be some rounds and several exchanges that you'd be able to isolate that would look exactly like that, the way I see it playing out, but ultimately I just outright assume a points win for Joe. And I don't even think he could deal out as much physical punishment as multiple guys who've lost to James already but it's just going to be a matter of scoring those points in the eyes of the judges. I don't think it's likely Toney would score a points win or a KO win. Hell, I damn near think a KO win is more likely if JT gets it. Almost.
     
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  10. JohnThomas1

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    Joe would win a comfortable decision via handspeed and high workrate slaps. He wasn't stationary enough for Toney to get enough going to win.
     
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  11. Jel

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    This is almost exactly what I wanted to say and that’s definitely the first time I’ve ever thought that about a @Boxed Ears post!
     
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  12. JackSilver

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    Toney did knock out Nunn an at that time, there weren’t many more awkward fast handed an fast footed fighters than the unbeaten Nunn.
     
  13. Boxed Ears

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    Mental health professional agree that if you agree with me roughly once per year, you're probably pretty much good to go.
     
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  14. Boxed Ears

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    Keep in mind, we're only in February yet.
     
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  15. Jel

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    :lol:
     
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