Was Ali v Norton 3 and FOTC a robbery from Ai pov

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  1. wubbie

    wubbie Future welterweight champion Full Member

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    No — I wouldn’t call Ali vs. Norton III (1976) a robbery. Here’s why, broken down carefully:





    Why It Was Not a Robbery



    1. Official Result:
      • Ali won by unanimous decision. All three judges scored the fight in his favor.
      • While Norton was competitive, he never dominated enough rounds to make Ali’s win obviously wrong.
    2. Ali’s Strategy Worked:
      • Ali used footwork, feints, and counter-punching to control the fight.
      • He dictated the pace and distance, forcing Norton to fight on Ali’s terms — classic ring generalship, which judges score heavily.
    3. Clean Punching:
      • Ali landed sharper, cleaner punches throughout the fight, even when Norton connected with power shots.
      • Judges usually reward precision and control over sheer aggression, which is why Ali’s performance counted more in the scoring.
    4. Norton Had Some Strong Moments, But…
      • Norton’s pressure was impressive, and he landed some heavy shots, but it wasn’t consistent enough to steal rounds decisively.
      • There’s a difference between looking good in bursts and clearly winning rounds — Norton didn’t do the latter often enough.





    Why Some Might Think It’s Controversial



    • Norton fans remember his hard shots and aggressive style, so visually it may have seemed like he was winning more than he actually was.
    • Ali’s style — dancing, countering, not always throwing in volume — can be deceiving if you focus on punches thrown rather than punches landed effectively.




    ✅ Verdict: Ali’s victory was legitimate. Not a robbery. Norton made it competitive, but he didn’t do enough to take the official decision.

    Ali vs. Frazier I – Argument for Ali Winning (1971)



    Official Result: Frazier won by unanimous decision.


    Arguments Ali Could Have Won:


    1. Effective Jab and Movement
      • Ali landed sharp, quick jabs throughout the fight and used lateral movement to avoid some of Frazier’s heavier hooks.
      • While Frazier dominated the inside, many of Ali’s cleaner punches weren’t fully appreciated by the judges.
    2. Ali’s Outside Control
      • Ali boxed from a range, scoring points with speed, feints, and combinations.
      • Some analysts argue Ali “won the rounds on points” by landing more visible, accurate shots at range, even if Frazier delivered the heavier punishment.
    3. Close Rounds
      • Several rounds were extremely close, especially rounds 1–7, where Ali’s movement and volume could have been scored more favorably.
      • Boxing scoring can be subjective; a slightly different judging style could have given Ali the edge in some rounds.
    4. Damage Inflicted vs. Damage Taken
      • Ali didn’t absorb as much punishment in the first half and landed cleaner punches that didn’t show as much outward effect.
      • An argument can be made that boxing isn’t just about visible damage but also accuracy, control, and ring generalship — where Ali arguably excelled in portions of the fight.
     
  2. OddR

    OddR Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I had Norton winning 8-7.

    FOTC was very competitive but I felt Frazier won probably in the region of 8-7/9-6.
     
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  3. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So neither were egregious decisions and observers could be justified scoring it either way. I'm inclined to abide by both decisions.
     
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  4. OddR

    OddR Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes I wouldn't go as far to call Ali Norton a robbery.
     
  5. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    I haven't watched it in decades but I remember thinking it wasn't so clearly for Norton as a lot of people said.
     
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  6. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The announcers led by the notorious Ali and Holmes hater, the latter who threw him out of his camp, Dick Young kllled that fight with their biases.
     
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  7. rodney

    rodney Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was there for this fight. Ali won. Boring fight. Norton wasnt busy enough.
     
  8. ThatOne

    ThatOne Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You were at Yankee Stadium while Bronx was allegedly burning. I'm envious. BTW, a very young SRL was there too.
     
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  9. Stevie G

    Stevie G Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Muhammad and Ken's second fight was the best of the trilogy,imo. One of my favourite heavyweight bouts of the seventies.
     
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