Who Does The Best Against Prime Ali? (Poll Included)

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Which Fighter?

  1. Oleksandr Usyk

    10 vote(s)
    13.5%
  2. Mike Tyson

    10 vote(s)
    13.5%
  3. Joe Louis

    4 vote(s)
    5.4%
  4. Rocky Marciano

    6 vote(s)
    8.1%
  5. Joe Frazier

    22 vote(s)
    29.7%
  6. Vitali Klitschko

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Wladimir Klitschko

    7 vote(s)
    9.5%
  8. Lennox Lewis

    11 vote(s)
    14.9%
  9. Evander Holyfield

    3 vote(s)
    4.1%
  10. Tyson Fury

    1 vote(s)
    1.4%
  1. GRIFFIN

    GRIFFIN "Beware the old man in a time when men die young" Full Member

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    In your opinion which of these great fighters does the best and could maybe even beat a prime Ali. I was doing a lot of thinking on this topic after recently re-watching the first Ali and Liston fight. I think there is definitely people I listed that could cause him some problems but if I had to bet money I'd probably go with Frazier just because he beat comeback Ali.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Frazier, Frazier, Frazier.

    Frazier is the best guy for this affair.

    If Frazier is in his absolute, he'll be my favourite guy to take the W from Ali - but he'll always lose the trilogy. That's because Ali will always tax him to death and Joe Frazier doesn't have a tenth (literally) of the overall physical resilience of Muhammad Ali.

    Frazier has everything he needs though. Ali can't knock him out. Ali can't out-work him. Ali can't stay ahead of him in terms of footwork, at least based upon everything we see on film at FOTC. Ali was swifter than that at his best, but he's never had that Frazier-level pressure seen from the gantry camera in FOTC, Joe will be in position to punch often enough IMO.

    Second, I'd go maybe for one of the big guys, but my first pick would always always be Joe.
     
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  3. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Frazier obviously. He can cut the ring vs Ali very well.


    In second place, I would pick Wlad


    I dislike Wlad will all my might but stylistically he is a hard match up for Ali. Strong jab, massive left hook, hard right hand. Assuming the ref will not allow too much leaning or clinching, I think Ali should out speed him but it’s a hard fight.
     
  4. Quick Cash

    Quick Cash Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Someone who can bring fast, intelligent pressure, so, in order:

    Frazier
    Usyk
    Tyson
    Louis
    Wlad
    Lewis
    Fury
    Vitali
    Holyfield
    Marciano

    All of these would be difficult for Ali. If singular exchanges represent a microcosm of the fight in its entirety, I believe Marciano achieves the least against Ali, but Rocky would be a more brutal and punishing match-up compared to Holyfield, in my opinion.
     
  5. 723

    723 Old-head Full Member

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    Ali, by his own admission, was vulnerable to infighters with a good left hook {1}. Holyfield, Marciano and Frazier fit this description the best (Tyson was a mid-range boxer, his inside game was non-existent beyond a few good elbows). So one of those three, especially Marciano and Frazier.

    REFERENCES:
    1.
    Hauser, T. (2013). Muhammad Ali : his life and times / Thomas Hauser. (1st ed.). New York, NY: Open Road Integrated Media.
     
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  6. themaster458

    themaster458 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Wlad will always be the hardest stylistic matchup for Ali and the one he will have the least success against imo. Others might beat him like Usyk or Lewis but I think Wlad would do the best at completely shutting down Ali and not allowing him to have any success at all. Therefore I would so he would do the best against Ali.
     
  7. nyterpfan

    nyterpfan Active Member Full Member

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    I wouldn't go quite so far as saying Frazier doesn't have a tenth of Ali's physical resilience (the FOTC should dispel that notion straight away) but otherwise the above post is 100% spot on!
     
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  8. Golota1

    Golota1 New Member Full Member

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    Where is Larry Holmes? I'm not sure he would beat prime Ali, but I think he would do better than most guys from this list
     
  9. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    While I don’t believe he is the best fighter in the group I do think Wladimir Klitschko would have given Ali the hardest time. Under Manny Steward he developed an extremely difficult style to beat much like Pretty Boy Floyd did late in his career. I don’t know that I think Wlad would’ve won because I believe Ali would have stayed on the outside and just scored points with movement and the jab but it would’ve been a very tough fight.
     
  10. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tyson, Wlad, Holmes.
     
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  11. OddR

    OddR Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Norton is not in this poll but I think he deserves a mention.
     
  12. HOUDINI

    HOUDINI Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It would be a great swarmer and Marciano is the greatest swarmer on the list.
     
  13. NewChallenger

    NewChallenger Active Member Full Member

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    I dont think it would be frazier as when I saw FOTC was the rounds where Ali was moving was the rounds Frazier's pressure didnt do anything. so I picked Marciano
     
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  14. 723

    723 Old-head Full Member

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    If we include every heavyweight in history, the answer to this question is 100% Norton.
     
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  15. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Usyk and Tyson would be harder fights than Wlad and Lennox. I think Klitschkos success here is especially overrated, he wouldn't take Alis jab and angles away, he'd just keep himself in that boxing match and remain difficult to solve