When did "protecting the 0" become the most important thing?

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  1. Carolina Cthulu

    Carolina Cthulu New Member Full Member

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    This may be (and probably is) a stupid question, so I'll preface with that.

    When did guys start worrying more about keeping the 0 in the loss column than they did about proving they were the best? Going after all the top dogs when they're all in their primes?

    I'm in my 40's and remember the guys I grew up with chasing the biggest fights, even if that meant they ended their careers with a handful of losses. But nobody cared. Nobody thought less of them, they thought "wow, that was a hell of a fight." I lost track of boxing in my late 20's/early 30's for different reasons, so it may have happened during that period. Was it Mayweather's influence? Is it the social media age where one loss means you're "washed"? Hell, even Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson ended their careers with multiple losses and people still hail them as two absolute GOATs.

    I don't know, something about all the dodging and posturing because it's "too early" or "not the right time" or whatever just bugs me. Maybe I'm turning into the old man who yells at clouds.
     
  2. Kiwi Casual

    Kiwi Casual Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Probably Mayweathers fault setting a blueprint everyone else wanted to follow.
     
  3. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    There are so many fighters with undefeated records today that don't mean anything.
     
  4. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Fans started punishing fighters for individual losses more. Its more about avoiding losses.

    Fans today are reductionist and only care about figuring out who the best fighter is.I've compared modern boxing discourse to the board game "guess who". Most fighters early in their careers is undefeated(maybe 1 or 2 losses early on) and fans are trying to use process of elimination to identify which fighter is the best. When the sport is built this way every loss becomes a potential career ender and the fighter is discarded from contention. Because in the fans mind its been proven they aren't the best and since all they care about is proving whose the best it means "they aren't that good". So fighters have adapted to avoiding this above all this.

    Even when the system lets fighters with a few losses get a title shot and be champion their prior losses will shape their reputation. To some people Wladimir Klitschko will always be the 3 loss gatekeeper they thought he was in 2004. Buster Douglas will always be the 4 loss journeyman who was "inconsistent".

    What makes me say its not Floyds influence is that champions are much more willing to risk losses then boxers who haven't "proven themselves". Former champions with name recognition actually get treated favorably when being given title shots. They are still trying to delay and minimize their losses but while theres more undefeated champions almost none will retire undefeated or even with 1 loss. What Floyd did or was trying to do is fairly uncommon. Floyd gets to be the face of this culture around avoiding losses because he went the furthest. But he didn't create the culture the culture created him.
     
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  5. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    50-0 #NoExcuses TBE PBF Money May all day :lol:
     
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  6. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    Imagine being in your 40s and having a homosexual crush on a famous boxer for half of your life.
     
  7. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    LOL it's pathetic. I used to like Floyd as a young bloke then I grew up and realized he is an ass clown :lol:
     
  8. Ice8Cold

    Ice8Cold The Hype Job Spotter. Full Member

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    All about money in this sport.
     
  9. BustedSaint

    BustedSaint Country Member Full Member

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    I would suggest that awareness of the concussion issue has made some realise money is more important than glory.
     
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  10. Blaxx

    Blaxx Active Member banned Full Member

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    Which current fighters are avoiding fights against the best in the world to protect their "0"?
    On the contrary I'm seeing a lot of people putting their 0 on the line. In recent months we've seen Abdullah Mason vs Sam Noakes, Shakur Stevenson vs Zepeda & Teo, Devin Haney vs Brian Norman Jr and coming up we have Naoya Inoue vs Junto Nakatani, David Benavidez going up to face Zurdo, Boots vs Zayas. There's a decent chance we get Abdullah Mason vs Joe Cordina and Kid Austin vs Lucas Bahdi too and there's an even better chance we are going to get some combination of Rafael Espinoza, Bruce Carrington, Angelo Leo and Brandon Figueroa. Plus lots of fights between high level fighters with 1 or 2 defeats such as O'Shaquie Foster vs Ray Ford and Gary Antuanne Russell vs Alberto Puello. I believe there's more positive movement regarding OPs claim lately and apart from the odd one or two fighters like Tank Davis, most other fighters seem to be going for tough challenges even if not necessarily the absolute toughest one all the time.
     
  11. NoChin

    NoChin Sir Tim Tszyu - Knighted! Full Member

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    Floyd lost. And he also lost many in the gym behind closed doors. There was an up and coming fighter from Cuba who absolutely battered him in 2014. Mayweather didn’t record many for a reason. Haney got him too.
     
  12. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Because Floyd made keeping his 0 at any cost his top priority, if that meant procuring an army of crooked refs and judges, never fighting out of the United States and looking for every A-side advantage in the book, then so be it. So of course, his army of brainwashed brain dead fanboys started prioritizing that as well, and defending every questionable decision, cut corner, opponent dodge and shady call in his favor, as if their lives depended on it. Which in many ways, it did, since they were living through him vicariously, and to admit their hero's mystique was a manufactured facade and charade. Would take away one of their purposes in life and would be utterly devastating to them. But also, because losses became a tool in the propaganda wars to savagely tear down, dismantle and delegitimize potential opponent's records with, like say... Manny Pacquiao. Often used as an excuse as to why he was undeserving of a title shot.

    Even though it was always rooted in sheer terror of their beloved Money May actually challenging himself, and risking his 0 against a prime threat. Therefore, an imperfect record became toxic to many fighter's images and potential money making ability. So after years of that kind of backward thinking, initially creeping in, and eventually dominating the public discourse around the sport. Perceptions and perspectives had shifted, preserving that 0 took top priority, and a loss would be economically debilitating to not just the fighter, but all parties and leeches involved. So from that point on, most of the promoters, television channels, streaming outfits got in on the act and starting towing the party line as well. Which infected the mindset of almost every fighter in the sport, in particular the risk averse slick ones. And why not? They knew they had the cover provided to them by malignant fanboys, running interference on their behalf in a niche sport ignored by the general public. So what did they have to lose? It's not like any of them ever had any integrity to start with!
     
  13. Nobody

    Nobody New Member Full Member

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    I believe the seeds were planted whenever the ring announcers first started introducing fighters with their records.

    Nothing sounds the same as "undefeated, undisputed".
     
  14. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Having a 0 means people are waiting for the upset and willing to pay for it to see you losing your 0. In each fight, they expect to be surprised.

    What was more shocking and interesting than AJ getting KTFOed by a fat Andy Ruiz Jr?

    Once you lose your 0, you're not that interesting anymore.
     
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