Does AJ have the best active heavyweight resume?

Usyk the obvious number 1.

Joshua ahead of Fury in 2,3.

Parker & Dubois ive got ahead of Wilder in 4,5,6.

Our Lord and Saviour Fabio Wardley is a Dubois flatline away from jumping in the mix for 4/5.

 

Yes I can see where your coming from with that list,the thread title is misleading as it says active Heavyweights but only Usyk Fury Joshua Wilder are mentioned in the thread by the op .

 

Isn't everyone the "Away" fighter when they fight in Saudi? Unless you're from there, I mean.

I don't know how boxing in Riyadh and Tuscaloosa both count as someone being the "home fighter" ... for example. They aren't even on the same side of the world.

 

This is a difficult question.

For one reason, it's difficult to say so-and-so is the "active" fighter who has the best resume, and then list guys he fought (like Wlad) who have been retired for a decade. It just doesn't sound right. (Just like it wouldn't sound right to say the answer is Oliver McCall, who fought more recently than Andy Ruiz has, and name a bunch of guys Oliver beat in the 90s.)

A lot of fighters on some of these guys' resumes are long gone.

Meanwhile, there are up-and-coming guys who are actually fighting active boxers now or next. The problem is, the younger guys aren't so active.

If you are counting "their top opponents" who are also active ... I'd say Joseph Parker probably has the best resume at the moment.

Then again, Parker is either fighting or sitting out a drug ban, himself.

But top active fighters Parker has faced are Wardley, Bakole, Zhang, Wilder, Joyce, Chisora, Joshua, Whyte, H. Fury (is he a top fighter?) ... and if you want to consider Andy Ruiz active (he hasn't fought in a while), you can add him, too.

For Parker, that's eight or 10 different guys (depending on your take of Hughie and Andy). That's a lot of different fighters. And Parker has just turned 33.

Derek Chisora has fought Wilder, Wallin, Joyce, Fury, Parker, Kabayel. Usyk, Whyte, and Pulev (although he may be retired now). So that's eight or nine guys.

Fury has fought Usyk, Wilder, Whyte, Chisora, Wallin, Mahkmudov. Six guys.

Joshua has fought Usyk, Dubois, Whyte, Wallin, Franklin, Pulev (who may be retired now) and *Ruiz who may or may not be active. Five or seven guys.

Zhang has fought Parker, Wilder, Joyce, Kabayel, Hrgovic. Five guys. Next up ... TBD or Zhang may be retired, too.

Dubois has fought Usyk, Joshua, Hrgovic, Joyce. Four guys. And next up is five ... against Wardley.

Kabayel has fought Zhang, Sanchez, Mahkmudov, Chisora. Four guys. Next up TBD.

Wilder has fought Chisora, Fury, Parker, Zhang. Four guys. Next up TBD.

Usyk has fought Chisora, Fury, Joshua and Dubois. Four guys. Next up - a guy with one fight. (Not relevant.)

Joyce has fought Chisora, Parker, Zhang, Dubois. Four guys. Next up - TBD.

Wardley has fought Clarke, Huni, Parker. Three guys. Next up is four ... Dubois.

Hrgovic has fought Zhang, Dubois, Joyce. Three guys. Next up is Allen (who isn't a top guy. Not relevant.)

Ajagba has fought Sanchez, Vianello, Bakole, Martin (is questionable). Three or four guys.

Miller has fought Ruiz, Dubois. Two guys. Next up is three ... against Pero.

Sanchez has fought Ejagba and Kabayel. Two guys. Next up is three ... Richard Torrez.

Huni has fought Wardley and Clarke. Two guys. Next up ... TBD

*Ruiz (again, he hasn't fought in years) has Miller, Joshua, Parker. Three guys. Next up TBD. (Again, don't know if he is "active" or should even be mentioned.)

But, if we were going with the guys who are actually fighting top heavyweights and likely will fight more, I think Parker is the clear number one. Then again, he could be out for two years, himself.

It's difficult to gauge anymore.

After Parker, clearly Wardley and Dubois are the guys to watch. Kabayel and Hrgovic (whether that inspires hope or not) are in the mix, too (Ejagba is getting a push from Zuffa) ... but Parker has more than double the significant opponents they all do. And Kabayel has only averaged about one fight a year for nine years now.

 

I can see putting Fury’s resume above Joshua’s, considering AJ has lost more fights, but Fury doesn’t have better wins.

 

You are quick to point out ages to suit a narrative but try to be balanced
If you are going to be complete with that, why did you not note Chisora was only a couple of weeks away from being 39 when Fury last fought him
Or that Usyk was nearly 38 when he beat Fury a second time for example?
Point I'm making is that you seem to have a narrative in that the difference in age of Povetkin when Joshua beat him, to the age of Chisora in Fury's last fight with him is very similar, something like 6 or 7 weeks

Also for Joshua you didn't note Martin

Wins against champions: (Parker, Ruiz and Martin)

 

1 Usyk

With Fury and Joshua I think it is very debatable and people factor in what they like

 

All Tyson Fury has going for him is the man who dethroned Wladimir. The Deontay Wilder victories have aged like absolute milk.
People talk about Joshua losing to Dubois and Ruiz, Fury didnt face either of them. Just like people laughed at AJ for losing back to back to Usyk, they all said Tyson would beat Usyk with ease, just a small middleweight, he got battered. The same people that will also say he batters Ruiz and Dubois without actually fighting them. People use the Dubois and Ruiz losses as factors as to why Furys career is better... Hes not fought them himself so the losses to fighters Fury hasnt touched are irrelevant.

Whatever way you weigh up their career accolades, Joshua trumps Fury.

As a Defending World Champion Fury beat Whyte Wilder & Chisora...

As a Defending World Champion Joshua beat Breazeale, Molina, Klitschko, Takam, Povetkin, Parker, Pulev...

Fury defeated an unbeaten Champion in Deontay Wilder & AJ defeated a unbeaten Champion in Joseph Parker, Pretty sure i know which one aged better.

Everyone likes to bring up how old Klitschko was when AJ beat him, the guy was a few months shy of his 40th birthday when Fury beat him yet its overlooked because he hadnt lost in so long but when the wins over Povetkin and Pulev get brought up, they are discredited for being the same age Klitschko was when Fury beat him even though they themselves had beaten a vast number of contenders each losing only to Wlad.

Everyone likes to breakdown and discredit what AJ has done and who hes beat but its so far clear of Furys resume. If you really break down Furys resume its extremely thin. Wladmir regardless of age is the standout win, he should get alot of credit for this. Defeating Deontay Wilder is so exaggerated its crazy.

What did Wilder do other than knockout Luis Ortiz to warrant Fury getting so much credit and applause? What did Wilder do in his career, who did he beat in them 40 odd fights and 5 year title reign that was so much more impressive than who the likes of Povetkin, Pulev, Parker, Ruiz have beaten???

Its all good speculating that Tyson would have beaten the likes of Povetkin, Pulev, Dubois, Ruiz etc but the reality is he didnt and we are working with facts here, instead he spent his time fighting Deontay Wilder and Derek Chisora. This whole life and death thing again only works with the Klitschko fight because it benefits the Fury > Joshua Narrative.. Ngannou had Fury scrambling, Joshua flatlined him, Wallin butchered the face of Fury, Joshua made him quit...

To put Tyson Furys resume into perspective... Arslanbek Makhmudov is a Top 5 Fury victory. A near 40 fight career, a career where hes now had 13 odd fights since first becoming world champion, a decade later, and Arslanbek Makhmudov is a Top 5 career victory...

 

Unfortunately Fury looked so old and slow against Makhmudov.

I wish AJ from Povetkin fight could fight Fury vs 1st Wilder fight. Then we could conclude who's better, Fury or AJ.

Usyk is out of comparison, he's the undisputed king of heavyweight division.

 

I’m not a Wilder fan however
Wilder stopped Ortiz in 10 rounds in 2018.
Wilder stopped Ortiz in 7 rounds in 2019.
WIlder stopped Arreola in 8 rounds in 2016.
That’s three wins there more impressive than Ruiz did.
Wilder stopped Brezeale in 1 round in 2019.
Wilder stopped Helenius in 1 round in 2022.
That’s two wins there more impresssive than Joshua did .
Post 2022 I have to say Wilder has looked badly shot and whilst Joshua is not the same fighter he does not look as shot as Wilder .

 

Not saying age can't be a factor but you note Whyte as a good win for Fury (as do I) yet it doesn't mean Whyte was better than a 39 year old Povetkin. That 39 year old Povetkin was top 5. The nearly 41 year old Povetkin beat Whyte before Fury scored a win over him.
Fighters age differently