Nah, not really. Davison is legitimately **** and Wardley would've been so, so much better under any other trainer. He is obviously very talented and athletic to push himself so far even with just what he had. Davison was just a fitness trainer for Fury, who boxed in Wilder 1 the same as he had in all his previous bouts. Davison has also never brought a fighter on technically from an early age. Let's look at his other fighters for comparison: Itauma - pre-trained super talent already known as a stand out amateur talent here in the UK. Literally just using his old amateur style now. AJ - actually had a technical regression under Davison. Couldn't even hold a basic guard against Dubois and was leading with rear uppercuts for some godforsaken reason. First bout against a decent opponent under Davison was the worst performance of his career. Leigh Wood - brawler who relied on physical ability. Had no stylistic improvement under Davison and the youtuber. Josh Taylor - actually had a technical regression under Davison. Stopped using his relentless up close infighting style that gave him success after starting with Ben. Ben Davison has not, is not and will never be a good trainer. He has never improved a fighter or brought a good fighter up from scratch. Though, as we see tonight, he is good at sending them to the hospital.
He has a pretty standard playbook for many of his boxers (watch Leigh Wood, AJ, Itauma, Wardley, ) and that gameplan goes out of the window when facing a high-level opponent with good power. All that pawing at the opponents and the absence of a high guard will get you in serious trouble when you're at the top level and against a person who is just as athletic and skilled as you are
His style looks great until it doesn't, his boxers look like world-beaters on their way up and he spews a lot of "technical" language (no doubt stuff that he talks with Lee Wylie about). Really, boxing is a fairly straightforward sport and it seems like Ben Davison overcomplicates it by focusing on "high level stuff". Lots of technical aspects, but certain fundamental principles will always be important (and the difference makers), doesn't seem like Davison does a good job with getting his talent to focus on the basics. He does deserve credit for making his boxers look good on their way up but that style tends to lead to disaster once they go up against the right opponents
His reputation will take a hit after this. Wardley is never out of a fight but fair suck of the sav, he took way too much damage!
Totally agreed. Wardley is still doing things like turning his back fully as he leans away from shots, dropping his right as he jabs etc. Some of the most basic mistakes going. Any remotely decent trainer (which Ben and Wylie aren't) would've ironed it out immediately.
So you're blaming Ben because this fighter was never that good but basically had a good punch and determination. It's actually hilarious that these idiot boxers were all semi-conned by him. But he's still better than people like 'Sugar Hill'. Compare Fury Wilder I with Fury Wilder III. And Wilder II was going down the same track as Wilder III it's just Fury landed the big one behind the ear early on. Imagine if Ben had trained Fury for Fury-MMA Fighter where Fury's whole career was almost derailed. Meanwhile, 'Sugar' did and people blame Fury for it. Go figure.
Sugar is absolutely the worst trainer for Fury out there. Funnily enough, I think he'd do quite well with a Wardley type though
Fury won Wilder 3, he drew Wilder 1. Also, Ben wanted to jump in the ring in the 12th but Roach told him to sit down, so Fury would have lost if Davison had a free hand.
I think Ben seems like a good bloke, and when he has appeared on talksport and interviews he appears to be knowledgeable and intelligent. But his corner work today was dangerously atrocious and has maybe caused unnecessary life changing damage to his fighter. He should've stopped the fight before the 8th round to regroup and initiate that rematch clause.
Ben Davison is on the same level as a Don Charles. They’re trainers who can bring a fighter to a certain level based on their potential, but once that level is reached, the fighter often stops improving beyond it. Dubois and Wardley, especially Wardley, would probably benefit from a new trainer. However, Dubois seems heavily reliant on routine and familiarity (something to do with his autism), so changing from a long-term coach could hurt his performances more than help them.
Ok...You say this...But I've never seen another Davison fighter have this flaw. It's a common acknowledgment that when a boxer gets in a sticky spot they "Return to type". That's what we saw tonight, Wardley was against a current top level HW and his skills, not his chin, unravelled. Wardley didn't lose tonight because of his obvious "Lack of skills", he lost because he didn't jump all over Dubois after the two knockdowns. We all know Dubois is a fragile fighter and he looked fragile again, looking at his corner immediately after getting caught. But Wardley stepped off him which was odd because Dubois was close to throwing in the towel again despite not being too hurt.
That´s not how Wardley fights, at all. He defends himself all of the time, but is so one trick pony and rarely layers his defense. And by this I mean that he usually just bends down from the waist, but this is predictable and eventually guys start timing him with ease. Also, the way he holds his right hand is meant for him to be able to let it go at all times, this of course leaves him vulnerable to the jab. How Davidson has not been able to fix this, is beyond me.
I get the points but the only person allowed to stop that fight last night in the corner was the chief second - and that was Rob Hodgins not Ben. But I agree, they should have pulled him a couple of rounds earlier.