Who is greater P4P Floyd Mayweather or Archie Moore?

Fogger · May 10, 2026

Gazelle Punch said: ↑

I love Archie but have to edge it to Mayweather. He’s not appreciated the way he should be yet because of his style…but I’ve never seen a man so good at hitting and not being hit and I don’t think I ever will. The only blemish on Mayweather was him and Pac not meeting at each others prime. Hurt both their legacies. I don’t think the outcome would have been different but it prob would have been more competitive.
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Excellent answer!

TheArchitect · May 11, 2026

Loudon said: ↑

But here’s the thing my good man, you aren’t actually debating.

You really aren’t.

Talking over someone, whilst only solely focusing upon the negative aspects of a career, is NOT an objective debate.

I’ll give you 2 examples of your debating style:

(humour me for a minute)

We’re in a bar.

I say to you:

“Roy Jones was a great fighter you know”

And you reply with:

“I don’t think so. He lost to Tarver and Johnson. He was embarrassed by Calzaghe. He lost to Green. He lost to Lebedev and Enzo Mac. He has 10 losses on his resume”

Or I say to you:

“Duran was an amazing fighter. A true top 20 ATG”

And you reply with:

“Nah. He lost to Marvin, Hearns, Ray, Benitez, Lawlor and Joppy. He lost almost 20 times”

Now they are perfect examples of how you are debating here.

Yes, Archie lost to Marciano and Floyd.

However, the man was in his early 40’s, where he’d fought around 180 times.

Imagine Floyd Mayweather fighting comparable opposition, at 43, having amassed 180 fights.

Yes, Archie lost 3 times to Ezzard Charles.

However, Ezzard Charles was one of the greatest fighters of all time.

Mike Tyson lost to Evander twice, and to Lewis and Douglas etc, but he’s still one of the greatest HW’s of all time.

Now we’ve looked extensively at Archie’s negatives, so why don’t we now ALSO look at the POSITIVES.

His incredible skill set. His great longevity. His knockouts. His great wins over guys like Lloyd Marshall etc.

There’s posters on here, educated men, who believe that Marshall could have beaten Roy Jones.

As well as losing, Archie beat some great fighters, where he has a very impressive list of wins.

He even beat some guys who beat the guys he lost to.

Again, look at the WHOLE picture.

Archie Moore is a top ATG fighter. By ANY metric. Yes, he lost. So did Greb and Robinson. It happens when you fight crazy schedules and fellow great fighters, again, something that was completely alien to Floyd.

Regarding Floyd, yes, he never lost to a Charles x 3. He never lost to guys like Marciano and Patterson.

But at the same time, he NEVER fought anyone as good as Charles, or fought hundreds of fights until he was 50.

Here is my ranking criteria:

Ability
Overall resume
Wins
Accomplishments
Longevity

Floyd did not have MORE overall ability. And you can’t just claim that he did, just on the grounds that Archie lost and he didn’t. That’s casual fan ignorance.

Floyd was better defensively. Archie was better offensively. Also, Archie was ONE of the early pioneers of the defence that Floyd Snr and Roger implemented with Floyd.

So Floyd was not more skilled.

Floyd does not have the better overall resume.

Floyd does not have a group of wins that are better than Archie’s.

Floyd did not have greater longevity.

All Floyd has above Archie, is a zero, and the accomplishments, but from a modern day era, where there were 4 belts, 18 weight classes and a day before weigh-in.

Yes, again, Floyd was a genius. He had a GREAT career.

But you are ranking him as a top 5 ATG, when again, he never fought a prime ATG, where most of his best wins were against faded fighters.

Now if you wish to proceed with the debate, I would like a few things from you please:

1. Give me your ranking criteria.

2. I’d be really interested to know where you rank Roberto Duran.

3. Give me Floyd’s best wins/opponents.

Now if you can do this in a respectable manner, then we can continue with the debate, and I will of course answer any questions that you may have.

If you don’t wish to do these things, then we can simply move on.

Thanks.
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Chapeau

Steve Fero · May 12, 2026

Gazelle Punch said: ↑

Not taking it too seriously at all. But why should I even discuss anything with you if you can’t see the obvious? Not sure how anyone could watch HJ and not think an ATG.
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Not sure friend you’d have to answer if you want to participate.
P4P is the best of the ATGs across divisions. Which means even if you extended to top 20 some divisions might not have a single representative. That includes ATG flyweights bantamweights featherweights and all divisions in between and above. So many outstanding fighters to count I just don’t see HJ or AM quite in that company. If someone wants to talk about top 20 LHs or top 10 for Archie OK though we might not rate them at quite the same position but thats fine.

Loudon · May 12, 2026

Steve Fero said: ↑

Not sure friend you’d have to answer if you want to participate.
P4P is the best of the ATGs across divisions. Which means even if you extended to top 20 some divisions might not have a single representative. That includes ATG flyweights bantamweights featherweights and all divisions in between and above. So many outstanding fighters to count I just don’t see HJ or AM quite in that company. If someone wants to talk about top 20 LHs or top 10 for Archie OK though we might not rate them at quite the same position but thats fine.
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