Is Ben Davison a Fraud?

Wish Moses Itauma would get well away from him.

It's one thing Fury, Taylor, BJS and AJ all performing terribly with him, but another thing entirely when talking about such a good, young prospect.

 

Good post

You can't buy experience. You have to go through the university of life to get it.

 

should go to Shane mcguigan.

 

As Freddie Roach said: trainer can really only do so much.

 

Again i still think it goes back to plenty of theory knowledge and not enough know how/experience.

Hes spending too much time working on certain things in camp. Most people will disagree with this after watching last nights fight but i bet Davidsons working on tactical moves....different plans constant information etc. Then you get a better/fitter fighter put infront of you and it goes out the window. At that point you have to fight your way out of it.

You have to be prepared for a hard fight. Wardleys a naturally tough guy so it kept him in there and he tried to fight it out but how much hard sparring did he have for it. How many hard sprints did he do. How many gruelling sessions did he put in.

I bet Dubois put in plenty with Don Charles. Its actually Dons biggest strength. While these guys with all this knowledge are working on all these different things. Hes using that same time getting his fighter properly fight ready.

I m not sure Wardley or Joshua did for Dubois. Davidson tries to mastermind wins because of his ego and probably because hes questioned so much but he,s yet to realise....a lot of it goes out the window especially at heavyweight if the guy on the other side is more fight ready than your guy unless your strength is your skillset. Like say Usyk or Fury.

I think Chisora said Wardley wasnt trained for last nights fight. I agree with him. They done plenty of training but not enough of the training either Joshua or Wardley needed for Dubois.

 

Ray Arcel never boxed either and did pretty well.

 

Just a quick little anecdote. I was watching the prelims on the night AJ was going to fight Diglett for the title. At one point the broadcast panned the camera around to people in the crowd and lo and behold there was Davison. He was sitting in the front row yucking it up with some other industry people. At the time I thought it was kind of weird since I figured trainers spent basically the entire day with their fighters on fight night. You want to make sure they're on schedule, doing what they're supposed to be, and that they're as prepared as possible for their upcoming fight. So it was just odd to see AJ's trainer laughing and having a grand ol' time watching the early fights.

Then come to find out AJ didn't even get to the stadium on time, never got warmed up properly, came out looking like a deer in the headlights, and then Davison's best advice was to roll the dice. It's one reason why I'm not near as high on Itauma as everyone else. Yeah, the kid looks the part, but you know he ain't getting any legit coaching from Davison. Plus, if the **** ever hits the fan for Itauma in a fight, he ain't gonna be helped whatsoever by Davison in the corner.

 

Ray Arcel is a al time great trainer and he never boxed.
Angelo Dundee never boxed.
I beleive Cus D'Amato never boxed either.
It s very debatable.

 

He's obviously quite cerebral and approaches things for a different angle to most trainers which might work for some fighters patrticularly those who are basically the finshed article already and have the basics drummed in but just need a bit of a tweak here or there to give them an edge. But he seems to lack the meat and potatoes stuff of other trainers, the more old school ones. I think there's a bit of something there that attracts world class boxers to him but I don't think it always works even for the same fighter every time out since his qualities are kind of specfic and tailored to certain issues the fighters need addressing.

 

Dumb thing to say and not true at all. I wish people would do their research before spouting ignorance as fact.

 

All three actually boxed.

Both Ray Arcel and Cus boxed as teenagers. Cus had to give up competition due to an eye injury, but still fought in unofficial smokers and worked as a sparring partner for years before opening his gym. Angelo boxed in the army and also fought in a lot of smokers in Philly.

 

I posted this is in a similar thread - I’ve spent time watching Ben with fighters in the gym and dressing room, I’ve even been in the opposite corner from him. I know this gives my opinion no more credence than anyone else on here but I actually rate him highly.

Freddie Roach is 66, Abel Sanchez 69, Buddy McGirt 61, Virgil Hunter 71, Derek James 54 and Eddie Reynoso 49 to name but a few. Ben is only 32 in comparison. Even among the UK trainers like Ingle, Tibbs, Booth, Coldwell, Gallagher and Sims who are all in their 50’s, Ben is the baby but when he calls it a day his CV will compare favourably, if not surpass all of these guys.