Levels

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by rezzer, May 16, 2026.


  1. rezzer

    rezzer Active Member Full Member

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    After watching Donovan win comfortably ( he did ) last night, I've been thinking about modern boxing levels. Generally, all things being equal, British fighters beat European fighters. Alternatively when British fighters step up to world level , they get beaten. Im thinking about guys like Noakes, Ball, Donovan etc. I know theres lots of exceptions but Britain seems to hold a just beneath world level place in boxing, outside the heavyweight division. We're kind of the Frank Bruno of world boxing, not quite elite. Am I right ?
     
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  2. Gregor Sia-Lees

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    Donovan hasn't lost a boxing match yet on my watch and Ball has won and lost at world level. Noakes no idea who he is.
     
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  3. boxberry92

    boxberry92 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Think the bigger issue is the four-belt era has watered down what “world champion” means compared to the one, two and even three-belt eras. The old route of British, Commonwealth, European and then World was tried and tested for a reason - by the time you got a title shot, you were usually the real deal.

    Nowadays you can get manoeuvred into a mandatory spot or pick up a belt without necessarily proving you’re world class in the old sense. Feels like what we used to call world class is now more what we mean by elite. Same in most walks of life really, once the pathway gets easier and there are fewer barriers to entry, the quality naturally drops.
     
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  4. rezzer

    rezzer Active Member Full Member

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    Sam Noakes lost to Abdullah Mason in Saudi. Previously unbeaten with high KO percentages. There's quite a few. I completely agree about the many world championships but they are still hard to win if a champion is in situ. Vacant titles are slightly different. Tony Bellew knows about this.
     
  5. Gregor Sia-Lees

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    don't really know who Mason is. Not really interested in the tiny fellas
     
  6. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    That was a great fight

    Noakes showed he can compete at such a level that night
     
  7. LeavemealoneKoooogs

    LeavemealoneKoooogs LeTs rUn iT bAcK Full Member

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    You're not suggesting Crocker is world level by mentioning Donovan in the list of guys who fell short?
     
  8. Gregor Sia-Lees

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    Donovan beat Crocker twice and then Crocker left @billy nelson he obviously felt deep down he lost them himself. He was hopeless.