Naoya "Email PFP King" Inoue and his place among the least deserving PFP 1s.

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  1. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Remarkably, over the the last 3/4ths of year, Naoya Inoue has catapulted himself atop the PFP rankings....Well, actually he didn't. He climbed two spots because a superior and more accomplished fighter retired and another, who's pushing forty, finally started to look long in the tooth.

    Thus, let's see where he ranks among the least qualified PFP 1s:

    1. Lomachenko--The GOAT of undeserving PFP 1s. IDK what he did to become PFP 1 and I'm not going to figure it out. We were told not to count the Salido loss even though he had sufficient pro experience in the World Series of Boxing. His win column is mostly forgettable+a win over a green Gary Russel. Conveniently vanished when Tank Davis wanted to fight him.

    2. Shane Mosley--The Ring had some sort of lovefest with guy because he was midway up the PFP top 10 before he even fought Oscar. He looked great against mediocrities and then got anointed by beating Oscar in what can only be described as a much better win than anything Inoue has logged. It turned out that everyone jumped the gun and he was a roidhead who couldn't deal with patient technical boxers.

    3. Bernard Hopkins--Hopkins got the top spot after Shane inevitably got schooled by Vernon Forrest. His career at that point consisted of a long, but average, reign at 160 capped off by a decent win over Keith Holmes and another over Tito, who was wildly overrated at 160. Inoue's career, of course, is far behind the final ledger of Hopkins' career.

    4. Roman Gonzalez--Basicially, a tiny guy DEI case who got promoted after Floyd retired and Wlad lost. His career consisted of a pair of wins over Estrada, a win over Viloria, and some title defenses against guys none of have heard of.

    5. Inoue--The hype with this guy was so intense that, long ago, people started counting stats such as trinkets and title defense for him while carefully avoiding naming the actual humans he fought (notably, he existed in a loaded 115 division but didn't fight any of the talent there). He then fought a known guy in a late thirties Donaire who hadn't won a notable fight in ages (other than a fluke when Burnett threw his back out) and got busted up badly, but escaped with a win. The cheerleaders later tried to claim was PFP 1 material for winning a home game against a featherfisted and limited fighter in Stephen Fulton. He then continued against forgettable opponents, getting dropped hard here and there, before finally fighting MJ. The warrior didn't show up that night and Inoue left with his title in a performance that resemebled a miniature version of Tommy Morrison vs. George Foreman.

    After all that, he finally got his chance to really prove he belonged when he signed up for the biggest fight in Japanse history against Nakatani. Nakatani was a very good fighter who was gracing PFP lists (for reasons that nobody here has ever been able to explain despite my repeated questioning). Surely, this would be Inoue's moment to shine. And, on that special night...Inoue looked kind of vulnerable and limited but escaped with a close win. Then Usyk finally looked old and Inoue became PFP 1. The end.

    @Flo_Raiden
     
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  2. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't agree fully, but I respect your stance, you're more logical than most
     
  3. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    staying consistent with the logic you are using, who do you see as the deserving real top 3 p4p fighters right now?
     
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  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Various scenarios could happen:
    1. Shakur is the best fighter in the sport and needs the big fight(s) to get him there.
    2. Usyk probably won't regain his spot, but crazier things have happened.
    3. Bam is capable and needs the right fights.
    4. Espinoza could terrorize various divisions.
    5. Inoue could win notable fights and prove to be more than a placeholder.
     
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  5. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    i dont agree with all of it, but i concede that the argument can be made.
     
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  6. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If Inoue is considered the least qualified P4P #1 then why do you have him ranked there by default instead of placing Shakur or Bam over him instead? That means that you are indeed legitimizing his place there based on his “stats” even though you don’t seem to care much about it.

    I’ve asked you this in a different thread so I’ll ask again here: What does Inoue need to do to actually be more “deserving” of his #1 spot?
     
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  7. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The same guy who was considered the best 122 fighter in that division before Inoue came along and also twice beat Brandon Figueroa who ended up knocking out Nick Ball to win a 126 strap.
    He dominated a guy that many perceived as a genuine threat to him. You even criticized him initially for not fighting him and he ended up making that fight look easy. Not really something that warrants a criticism and it wasn’t like he fought a negative safety first fight.
    In a big event fight where Nakatani was unbeaten and a legitimate threat Inoue still shined in that fight despite having some tough moments against a P4P fighter. No one was expecting an easy fight for him to look perfect and he still won by 8-4. Again that win and performance should not be a knock against him at all and it helped solidify his spot as the #1 fighter.
     
  8. Flo_Raiden

    Flo_Raiden Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Inoue is one of the very few fighters today that does everything that he’s supposed to be doing as a champion and professional fighter. He stays active by fighting 3+ fights a year, defends his titles against the best available fighters put in front of him, doesn’t duck or dodge anyone, doesn’t sit around and wait for a big money fight, doesn’t accept gimmick fights with non-boxers for high pay, and actively pursues the best fights. If that’s a fighter that’s “undeserving” of his spot at the top then that really says a lot about the state of boxing today and just how skewed expectations are now.
     
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  9. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    He’s deserving of the spot. Deserving via more accomplished fighters retiring and getting old.
     
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  10. Ted Spoon

    Ted Spoon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    In the grand scheme of things, P4P rankings are little more than chest-thumping. Inoue's #1 now, for sure. What matters more is his position amongst the recent big three. And this is where he and Usyk are clearly ahead. In time, as it was with Canelo's inflated record, it's gonna show with Crawford. It's not Bud's fault. When it comes down to pure ability, maybe he was the best, but, for the most part, his record consists of a long list of fighters who were either broken or on the cusp of retirement. What is the main weakness of Floyd's record (meeting key rivals when they were a bit jaded) is there to the nth degree with Crawford's.

    With Inoue - whether he's 'running' from MJ or 'escaping' Nakatani (interesting terminology) - he's continued to defeat the most deserving contenders, being both older and naturally smaller.

    Now, I wouldn't be as silly to put him as high as top 20 of all-time, but he's above Bud. And he's not done.
     
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  11. jeevacation

    jeevacation My fav active fighter is Ebonie Cotton. banned Full Member

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    So who is no 1 p4p then?

    It s not Usyk now.
     
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  13. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    You mention some of my favorite fighters, and it feels a bit bad… but good post - you’re mostly right IMO.
     
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  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    You can't even name most of the guys who Inoue beat. And for the ones who you can name, you're unable name who they beat. It's okay though; we're all having the same issue.

    Canelo's resume is outstanding and you have a bone to pick for reasons I don't understand.