Naoya "Email PFP King" Inoue and his place among the least deserving PFP 1s.

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  1. Bigplatts

    Bigplatts Member Full Member

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    and?
     
  2. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Inoue didn’t take those sorts of risks.
     
  3. Bigplatts

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    Inoue has taken much bigger risks. He's fought multiple opponents who are physically bigger than him, something Crawford didn't do once in his whole career, and Inoue has fought lots of guys in their primes, unlike Crawford who mostly fought people at the tail-end of their careers.
     
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  4. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Now I know you’re all up in your feelings. Crawford gave up a lot of size to Spence and Canelo. Inoue gave up size to MJ and, as a result, got on his bicycle.

    I’ve been to two Crawford fights and he’s not a big guy. Shawn Porter is a big guy. Crawford is not.

    Jumping from 154 to 168 is the same amount of pounds as 108 to 122.
     
  5. Bigplatts

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    Name me one metric by which Crawford has ever been smaller than anyone. He has never fought anyone who has longer arms than him, he has only once fought someone who was taller (Benavidez) and all available rehydration weights for his fights show he was bigger, usually significantly bigger, than all of his opponents. Even Canelo's team said Canelo was aiming for the high 170s in their fight, BoMac said Crawford was looking to rehydrate to about 180, so at the least they would've been the same size. Crawford has literally never fought with any sort of disadvantage. It's just a fact. Saying 'Crawford is not a big guy' is just your feelings.

    Inoue 'got on his bike'... and pitched a shutout against a guy in his prime. Crawford scraped by Madrimov and did very little throughout - despite being taller, having longer arms, and weighing more on fight night - but I don't see you saying he got on his bike?

    You seem to have either a bias for Crawford, or just an irrational dislike of Inoue, likely a combination of the two. But Inoue has already surpassed Crawford quite clearly and he's not even done yet.
     
  6. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Hey chief, boxing in a weightclass sport. Crawford moved up 33 pounds from his original weightclass. Inoue moved up in a space where weightclasses are separated by three pounds.
     
  7. Bigplatts

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    Hey chief, boxing hasn’t had same day weigh ins in over 40 years, weight divisions don’t mean what they used to mean, especially not with someone like Crawford who spent his career dehydrating dangerous amounts and rehydrating on the day of the fight so that he was always fighting smaller men. What’s actually relevant is the weight of a fighter on fight night and in that sense Crawford never fought at a disadvantage.
     
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  8. NoNeck

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    This is quite comedic considering that Inoue is a full sized jr feather who dried himself out to the size of someone with a pituitary disorder in order to win titles whereas Crawford is a normal sized welter who won his biggest fight against a guy who entered the ring as a full sized light heavyweight.
     
  9. Cobra33

    Cobra33 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This. Weight classes are a joke now and most good these guys fighting today would have never been able to fight in those weight classes with same day weigh ins.
    Its ridiculous watching a jr.middleweight fight..........and both boxers weigh in at LIGHT HEAVY.
     
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  10. NoNeck

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    Name me the boxers who dropped down in weight when day before weigh ins became a thing.

    Wait until you figure out the reason why day before weigh ins became a thing in the first place.
     
  11. Bigplatts

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    There are rehydration weights available for some of Crawford’s early fights before he ever fought for a title, when he was at 135. Even in them he was always a couple lbs over 147 lbs, so he’s never actually stepped in the ring below the welterweight limit. If this was the era of same day weigh ins he might’ve been able to squeeze down to welterweight very early in his career, but he’d have spent most of his career at middleweight and above. To call him a ‘normal sized welterweight’ is just false.

    Canelo actually challenged himself at 168 and especially 175 by fighting bigger opponents. Crawford never did this and was, as already stated, bigger than Canelo by every metric.
     
  12. Cobra33

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    Everybody knows why they have same day weigh ins and guess what ? People took advantage of it especially fighters who are bank rolled.
    Hearns weighed in at 145lbs Leonard at 146lbs for a WELTERWEIGHT title fight.
    Spence weighed in at 165lbs and Crawford was 168 lbs when they both entered the ring.
    So you had 2 SUPER MIDDLEWEIGHTS fighting for the WELTERWEIGHT title.
     
  13. pincai

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    lol… Inoue is regarded as generational talent by almost all pundits of boxing.
    He is well deserved to be there.. it was not handed to him..
    For the record I also have Usyk and Crawford a one in a generation type of fighters.
     
  14. NoNeck

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    “n their legendary first fight in 1981, Thomas Hearns weighed in at exactly \(145\text{ lbs}\). However, because he struggled to drop down to the welterweight limit, he rehydrated significantly and is estimated to have stepped into the ring on fight night closer to \(155\) to \(160\text{ lbs}\). [1, 2, 3]”

    If only you knew the sport like I do.
     
  15. NoNeck

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    That would make three in a generation.