Who won more rounds against usyk: Rico or Aj

Rico but Usyk was giving everyone a show

 

Nice show, being outboxed by a non-boxer.

 

Seems fairly rated to me. Not great, but pretty good, and a big puncher — that seems to be the consensus and it’s fair. Put him in with someone outside the top 10 and they’re getting KOd.

 

Couldn't hurt top 30 operator Jermaine Franklin who would go on to get KO'd by prospect Itauma.

A big gap between guys like Zhang and Wilder and someone like Joshua. But yes, I agree, the consensus is that he is not great but pretty good.

 

He is cautious but Joshua is a very big puncher come on now.

This is like saying Wlad wasnt a big puncher because in his 18 most important career fights, he only scored 6 stoppages (and the best guy he ever stopped may well have been Tony Thompson in 11). And he only stopped one on them inside the first 6, which was his 5th round KO over Pulev. In reality Wlad was obviously a massive puncher.

 

Vlad is perhaps the most devastating puncher the division has seen. He has numerous one shot knockouts with either hand.

Joshua is an above average puncher, but people get carried away on this forum, especially after the Ngannou KO. Dubois, for instance, is a bigger puncher than Joshua and isn't credited half as much.

 

Wlad was 6/18, with just one 1st half KO. If he is the biggest puncher ever then this shows that caution can easily overcome power in determining whether you decision or KO.

Joshua stopped Kevin, Whyte, Martin, Breazeale, Wlad, Takam (A-side stoppage), Povetkin, Pulev, Helenius, Wallin, Ngannou. This wasnt done due to him being a volume puncher or even that aggressive. It's an impressive list which strongly suggests big power. Against Parker, Ruiz 2, Usyk 1 and Franklin he didnt go for the KO much at all, if it all.

Maybe Dubois is a bigger puncher but he is a very heavy puncher in his own right.

Joshua has his flaws but without big power he'd have accomplished nothing in the sport.

 

Most people had Rico winning 7-8 rounds in his fight. Joshua in one fight won 5 at most (the 2nd one)

 

It's a pointless discussion.

Which opponent did Usyk fear more, Joshua or Rico?

That's the real answer to the point you're trying to get at.

 

Neither. AJ stopped being scary when the doppelganger from the movie UP splattered him all over the ring.

 

Vlad was 6/18 of what? The guys he didn't stop were almost all elite fighters who either hadn't been dropped or stopped, or were undefeated. All of them were in their prime. Look at the list of guys who'd never before been knocked down our out that Vlad either stopped or dropped (who were in their prime, mind you), it's a league above.

Let's take a look at Joshua's list of names you've provided:

Kevin - coming off a 3 fight losing streak, certified journeyman, had him on the ropes, scored a TKO in britain. Not bad?
Whyte - a bit inexperienced, would go on to get uppercut KO'd by everyone in a similar manner. Good KO as it hadn't been done before
Martin - LOL, horrendous chin
Breazeale - This guy gets hurt in every fight, got iced in 1 by Wilder, not an impressive stoppage
Vlad - He's 41. Looked exhausted, more of an accumulation TKO
Takam - british stoppage TKO
Povetkin - 39, not a bad stoppage but he looked old in there. Had been absolutely rag dolled and man handled by Vlad 5 years prior. TKO
Pulev - 39, not an impressive stoppage. Spending 9 rounds on a shot Pulev who can't return fire with anything threatening is bad.
Helenius - 40? not an impressive stoppage. KO1'd by a past prime Wilder near this fight. Taking 7 rounds is a bad look given their careers
Wallin - LOL, trash fighter
Ngannou - LOL

I'm not saying Joshua isn't a puncher, he is. But he's an above average puncher and not some dynamite power puncher with elite snap on his shots. He's had the benefit of favorable matchmaking against old opposition (or Whyte and Parker who you could say were green), and a massive platform to KO an MMA fighter and Jake Paul.

He's not on the level of Wilder, Zhang, even Dubois is a better puncher. Certainly nowhere near Klitschko.

 

Wlad didn't stop 12 of his 18 best opponents:

Byrd 1, Williamson, Peter 1, Ibragimov, Haye, Povetkin, Jennings, Puritty, Sanders, Brewster 1, Fury, Joshua

He stopped these opponents, taking 5-12 rounds every time:

McCline, Brock, Thompson 1, Chagaev, Chambers, Pulev


If we look at Wilder's opponents, he took 9 rounds to stop Molina (who Joshua took out in 3), 11 rounds to stop Duhaupas without dropping him, went the distance with Stiverne who'd previously been stopped in 4 rounds on his feet by a journeyman, Washington was stopped on his feet but got KO'd in 2 by Kownacki. People were making arguments like this at the time for why Wilder's power was hugely overrated. He ultimately only stopped one ranked opponent in his career, an aging Ortiz x2, 7-10 rounds. Maybe Wilder was never a big puncher.

Kevin went on to go the distance with many names, only ever got stopped x3 in a long career and never nearly so quickly. Whyte was fresh at the time, beat Chisora x2, Parker, Rivas and Helenius after Joshua destroyed him. Martin survived Washington who he beat, Kownacki and Anderson, Joshua nailed him in 2. Wlad hadn't been dropped or stopped since 2005, Joshua dropped him x3 and stopped him. Povetkin only had one meaningful stoppage loss and that was to Joshua in 7, Wlad failed to stop him. Wallin went 12 with Fury, who has some good stoppages, beat Breazeale and Gassiev over 12 who can punch a bit, never hit the canvas until going 12 with Chisora post-Joshua, Joshua stopped him in 5. Ngannou ate all of Fury's shots, many flush, Joshua sparko'd him in 2. Guys like Pulev (went distance with Chisora later without being dropped) and Breazeale were tough, Joshua had them down early, stopped them. Some of these fighters were in a very bad state or outright flatlined. And Joshua isn't a volume guy, or all that aggressive, and he usually doesn't throw with full conviction. I'd give Joshua an 8.5 or 9 out of 10 for punching power.

 

I see a wall of text, but I see no overall point. You're trying to equate Vladimir and Joshua in punching power? Wilder and Joshua in punching power?

"Maybe Wilder was never a big puncher" huh?

You seem desperate to give Joshua a 9/10 on punching power, putting him in the league as Vladimir, Zhang, Wilder, Dubois. No one is going to agree with you. It's a silly point.

 

I think you're a bit delusional here. Most people would put Joshua in the same or similar bracket as Wlad, Zhang, Wilder and Dubois for punching power. He is a two-handed puncher with a wide selection of big punches, and a long list of notable opponents dropped and stopped. Better uppercut than Wlad, better left hook and uppercut than Wilder.

I've seen people make superficial arguments as to why Wilder wasn't a big puncher/had hugely overrated power and I see yours regarding Joshua as being similar. If there is one attribute that Joshua does not lack, it's punching power.