Usyk has lost 50 of his 217 career rounds

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  1. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Due to the response to my last thread I decided to expand on the concept. In my "Usyk has lost 32 of his last 85 rounds" thread a common retort was "when looking at rounds lost you have to consider the level of competition." I don't think Dubois, Fury, AJ and Chisora are nearly as special as Usyks fanclub thinks but at CW and at the non elite level of course he would do better. The Gassiev win despite not being at HW proper has the potential to one of his most valuable.


    The problem is how this compares to other champs. If we look at fellow Cruiser alumni Holyfield in title fights was the picture of mediocrity but beforehand was a dominant force. As was Haye over a smaller sample size.

    Usyk has lost 50 of his 217 career rounds and has had 1 judge score against him in about 75.

    I've counted 73 and am accounting for the Chisora fight and all those fights that don't show the scorecards of which you can't tell which rounds were scored for whom. You can only assume that if the scores are the same they scored the same rounds but this might not have always been the case.
     
  2. DanielDimov

    DanielDimov Jabbing all night Full Member

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    He has 25 fights, based on this slow stsrt and opponent exploring - even if he lost the first two rounds against all 25 opponents, that will make your 50 rounds calculation. What are you trying to prove?
     
  3. Wizbit1013

    Wizbit1013 Drama go, and don't come back Full Member

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    Guys always won and thats basically all that matters
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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  5. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For a fighters whole career losing 23% of rounds and having a case to have lost a third is not great.

    A)In the old days when it was normal for fighters to fight a good opponent every single fight it would be a different story.
    B) It would also be a different story if Usyk wasn't a point fighter.
    C)It would also matter less if he wasn't undefeated. Part of why 23% is bad is because he won every fight cause a fighter would mostly tally that up in their losses.

    Look at Wilder. Wilder lost 57 out of 198 rounds (29%)but he's not a point fighter people are calling the most gifted HW they've ever seen. 36 of those lost rounds weren't in fights Wilder won.
     
  6. roughdiamond

    roughdiamond Ridin' the rails... Full Member

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    I mean it's an interesting pure statistic but I'm not sure what you're trying to extrapolate from this? There are more contextual factors to 'greatness' than just rounds won / lost, especially since in the microcosm of individual bouts Usyk is usually winning 9-3 or 8-4 which would be considered decisive. That's not even mentioning obvious judging bias in some of his bouts (the scoring in AJ 2 being laughably bias for AJ, for example - that bout was not actually that close).

    Then there's the H2H factor where this doesn't really apply at all. Styles make fights. I love classic fighters but I can freely admit that Usyk is a nightmare style match up for a lot of classic heavies H2H.
     
  7. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Strong rumours now he's going to fight Irwin Gossamer next.
     
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    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    thehook13 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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  10. MorvidusStyle

    MorvidusStyle Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He beats all the nostalgia Murican heavyweights and that's all that matters. Because those are the 'gold standard' and laughably so.
    He's 39 and all those characters were CTE-d and garbage at that age, long before really.
    But Frazier of course beats all these giants now and featherfist Ali is definitely backing them all off and wearing them out with his rope-a-dope, when he's not getting brain damage from his incredible defence. Big George can tower over them with his 6'3 massiveness, plod forward and uppercut them to the canvas. Who could possibly deal with these forces of nature?
     
  11. GGGfans

    GGGfans Active Member Full Member

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    Usyk should have won by unanimous decision against Joshua II and Fury I.
     
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  12. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Thread brought to you by the guy who said Usyk is the least dominating tenured champion rbr, while citing multiple champions rbr statistics to try and show it, but his own numbers had multiple of his referenced champions actually having lower winning rbr percentages than Usyk (never mind that they lost multiple title fights on top of that).
     
  13. DoctorJones

    DoctorJones Member Full Member

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    Foreman is not even 2 cm smaller than Dubois according to celebheights
     
  14. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Again, he has had a COMBINED 2 home country judges and 0 home country refs for all of his world title fights and fights since moving up to the world level which is like a complete inversion of all the best fighters from the US in recent years
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  15. shrap

    shrap Member Full Member

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    So that would put his average rounds won across 12 rounds at 9.24 vs 2.76 for his opponent. That's extremely dominant.