How good was Chad Dawson?

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  1. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Joe never fought an elite level southpaw in his career.

    He wouldn’t have anything to do with Pavlik or Dawson.

    He was happy to bow out against a shot Roy, after literally saying that he was shot.

    He also looked awful against Mitchell, and he sure didn’t slap Bernard up.
     
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  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I was never sure as many of his big name opponents he beat were significantly older and I seem to recall him having a very tough time against G Johnson

    25 when he 1st fought Johnson (39)
    26 when he fought Tarver 1st time (39)
    26 when he fought Tarver 2nd time (40)
    27 when he fought Johnson a 2nd time (40)
    29 when he fought Hopkins the 1st time (46)
    29 when he fought Hopkins the 2nd time (47)
    Decent wins no question about that but I wondered if youth worked in his favour a bit?
    He did score some good wins like -
    Diaconu, Adamek
     
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  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Of course you are trying to forget that Dawson fought on Calzaghes under card defending a WBO-NABO SMW title. On the under card of Calzaghe/Lacy.
    After that fight Dawson jumped away from SMW and fought at LHW only to go back to SMW years after Calzaghe retired
     
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  4. MagnificentMatt

    MagnificentMatt Beterbiev literally kills Plant and McCumby 2v1 Full Member

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    Dawson had all the talent in the world but was a head case. I was very surprised when Pascal pieced him up, and saw it as a big upset because I had high hopes for him. When things got rough, didn’t go his way, or he got frustrated, you could see that it clearly messed him up.

    He shouldn’t even be mentioned alongside Calzaghe, though… Whos mental resilience is the exact opposite and maybe his best feat….
     
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  5. NoChin

    NoChin Sir Tim Tszyu - Knighted! Full Member

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    Saw him vs Tarver at the hard Rock back in 2009. Met some world champions. Good times.
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    I was surprised Dawson was the favourite in that one
    I picked for Pascal
     
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  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion

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    Very skilled fighter but also very mentally weak.
     
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  8. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    To build on this, Chad was very skilled but the ways he was limited he was very limited. He did not like in-fighting and, as mentioned, didnt handle mental pressure well...second guessing himself and becoming gunshy at the wrong times
     
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  9. bjl12

    bjl12 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Dawson had better tools. He had Pascal badly hurt at one point but was gunshy...Jean was momentarily out on his feet. Was insane to see Chad just sit there and not pounce.
     
  10. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Such a skilled fighter. Got roughed up by Pascal though and I'll never understand the want to fight Ward below his weight class. Weird career.
     
  11. GoodBot

    GoodBot You can like, just forget your password. Full Member

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    I had the second Hopkins fight a draw. IMO he beat Johnson and Hopkins due to his better athleticism and youth, not skills. But then again, he looked damn good against Adamek, whom you brought up.

    Like others have said, Dawson had some mental issues and was never able to fully capitalize on his skills and talents, because he was certainly skilled and talented.
    The only reason Hopkins made it so competitive at the time was because he got Dawson to follow him, and then Dawson got reckless and frustrated because he did not like being on the front foot that much, and Hopkins made him miss a lot of punches. Then at the midway point something clicked in Dawson and he flipped the script, with Hopkins now having to force the exchanges, and this is when Dawson´s skills showed themselves.

    Pascal vs Dawson is still one of my favorite fights from the time, it was a fun scrap and a their styles matched up surprisingly well. Both in the athletic primes too.
     
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  12. SquaredCircle

    SquaredCircle Well-Known Member Full Member

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    From a skill and athleticism standpoint, he had a ton of great qualities. Some clear defensive flaws and infighting limitations, but that's true for most. Excellent body puncher, educated jab, solid footwork, good fundamentals, and nice combinations in his prime. The major limitations were mental focus, durability, and a tendency to get lackadaisical. Probably should have been greater than what he was.
     
  13. cslb

    cslb Puerto Rican Uppercut Full Member

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    I never got the impression that Dawson enjoyed boxing, it was merely a means to an end. With his physical abilities, he could have been a great if he was dedicated.
     
  14. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing Aficionado Full Member

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    You are still the most obsessive Joe Calzaghe hater on the internet after all these years. You need to let that hatred go, it is burning you up inside.
     
  15. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Beat Tarver x 2, B-Hop, Adamek, Johnson x 2, Harding, and Diaconu all excellent, very good or good wins

    But losses to Pascal, Ward, Adonis, Fonfara and Karpency between the age of 28-34 obviously harms his legacy

    To be fair, he was obviously much, way or better than Karpency, Fonfara, and Adonis and past his prime vs the the first two. He just got caught by Adonis who was a murderous puncher with devastating one shot power in his left

    Vs Ward he was fighting at 168 for the first time in over six years and had been getting beaten up in camp by a relative novice and dropped heavily and badly hurt by Miranda a few weeks before the fight and he was going down from shots which were far from concussive in the actual fight vs Ward who has registered a grand total of 1 KD in all his other fights at the world level (Sullivan Barrera who has been dropped many times) albeit Ward did fight quite a lot of very durable or durable guys

    But Dawson was going down way too easily vs Ward and he was clearly compromised

    And if you take away Ward's excessive use of illegal tactics which was a huge part of his game and success was he actually better than Dawson or more skilful, as in legal skills?

    Is Pascal better? Definitely more durable but Pascal had the best chin LHW of that era for me

    Either way, Dawson was better than most of the guys he lost to
     
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