Is Usyk ducking Kabayel? (VIDEO)

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Rumsfeld, Jun 27, 2026.


  1. rolzone

    rolzone Active Member Full Member

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    I’m not sure you know what you would do if you were *exactly* in his position. A lot happens outside the ring.
     
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  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Crazy isn't it? The fearless road warrior who became undisputed at CW by fighting undefeated world champ Glowacki in Poland, undefeated world and future world champ Briedis in Latvia, and undefeated unified world champ and future world champ Gassiev in Russia, all of whom savage punchers or very much legit bangers

    And in between that took on the very slick, skilled, tricky and awkward Mchunu as a voluntary for his first defence and US debut who should have been a world champion and who is not the kind of fighter you take on for a voluntary defence on your US debut

    A 12-0 Hunter in the US for his 2nd defence who was certainly good enough to become a world champion and is a big puncher


    3rd defence 40-4-1 long reigning former champ Huck in Germany who again is a legit banger

    And then after becoming undisputed took all his belts on the road to fight former champ Bellew in England who was undefeated at CW, 10-0-0 (8 KOs) at CW/HW and was a legit KO artist

    And that's just what Usyk did at CW nevermind up at HW in his mid to late 30s

    No home fights or refs or judges and he beat the all via pure skill and clean boxing with zero use of dirty tactics and deck-stacking
     
  3. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    A little bizarre considering that Patterson didn't fight Machen or Foley, but to each their own.

    I don't mean to insult Louis, but even he had his problems fighting the black contenders of his day--Bivins, Murray, Ray, Thompson, Franklin...
    I am not saying they were #1 or anything, but they were there and lesser men got shots. So we should probably be honest about the fact that there are very few guys who fought everybody. Usyk was one of the best for most of his career, and deserves to be remembered as one of the the good guys.

    POST SCRIPT: Bivins did have #1 contender status and Franklin and Ray had similar "logical contender" status various years.
     
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  4. BustedSaint

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    I just wish some of the whingeing DHs would read this, and watch some of the fights you mention. I worship nobody, but Usyk demands respect from any serious boxing pundit due to his achievements both in and outside the sport, fairness, and apparent decency as a human. There has always been a glut of weak non-achievers all too ready to dive their metaphorical boots into tall poppies who dared and won like Usyk, Ali, and that Greek bloke going back a couple of millennia, Alexander the something or other.
     
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  5. Philosopher

    Philosopher Well-Known Member Full Member

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    My point re Usyk, Louis and Patterson is that they may not be ATG top heavies, Louis excepted, but they are ATG top boxing human beings. For me those three are the epitome of the saying 'the best MAN won'. Regardless of their records and how history ends up judging them, they are all remarkable people, Patterson and Usyk edge Louis in this respect for me...
     
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  6. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    Patterson famously went to visit Sonny Liston when Liston watched the title. He told, him, and I paraphrase a bit, here, "It's going to be all right, Sonny, One day you are going to wake up and it is just going to be better."

    Touching that he, twice humiliated by Liston, was the only person who cared about him in that moment.
     
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  7. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Plenty of guys fight 2 to 3 times these days so that's nonsense

    You do realize Joshua fought twice in 2024 and a whooping three times in 2023 I assume?
     
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  8. Cyrion

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    The most marketable guy in the sport outside of maybe Canelo? That guy? Compared to a fuggin' Ukrainian who doesn't speak English well? And AJ wasn't fighting top level guys, either, now was he. You're saying Kabayel is such a bum he's on the level of a Wallin or a Ngannou or a Helenius?
     
  9. OldSchoolBoxing

    OldSchoolBoxing Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Let's see how many fights Kabayel fought every year:

    2026: Knyba
    2025: Zhang
    2024: Sánchez
    2023: Smakici, Makhmudov
    2022: Sour
    2021: Johnson
    2020: Lazaridis
    2019: Rudenko
    2018: Rovcanin

    It seems Kabayel has fought once a year in last 8 years, and all his opponents were outside top 30, and now he is crowned as the WBC heavyweight champion! Incredible!
     
  10. Serge

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    Well said and I didn't even touch on his HW career and then we have his amazing amateur career in addition to all that too. Every single world title he won as a pro and gold medal he won at the major championships in the amateurs was either won in his opponent's backyards or on the road all via the application of pure skill and clean boxing and he was robbed in the semi-final of the 2009 World Amateur Championships vs the eventual gold medalist and robbed in the 2008 Olympics vs the eventual silver medalist and the fighters he would've subsequently faced in the finals and next stages to win gold had he not were Osmay Acosta who he'd beaten 10-4 the previous year and in the 2008 Olympics The Dosser and Rakhim Chakhkiev both of whom he would've schooled or definitely beaten IMO

    And to go 17 years unbeaten fighting at the elite level for the vast majority of that time and to have never having been knocked out or even dropped by a head shot in over 370 fights am and pro (and I recently read the KD he suffered Korobov who was much more experienced and is one of the best amateurs I've ever seen was from a body shot) fighting at the level he did and against the quality of opposition and the amount of savage punchers and legit bangers he's faced is utterly insane

    But let's just focus on this tiny part of a truly amazing career when he's 38-39 + y/o, long past his prime, and has been in the planning exit strategy stage of his career at least since Dubois II after a career of impeccable conduct in and out of the ring whilst taking an approach and doing it all in a way even the vast majority of his fellow greats didn't or wouldn't :facepalm:
     
  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Dayuum! And Kabayel was 25-33 y/o during that timeframe not 34-39 y/o
     
  12. Samart'sTeep

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    He did. There's no question about that now. But I give him a pass since he's at the very tail end of his career and he had the decency to drop the belts when he knew he had no intention of defending them. The Rico fight was BS. We can all agree on that. But it was only one fight. Up until that contest, Usyk had always fought the best of the best at every opportunity, both at cruiserweight and then again at heavyweight. If he wants to opt out of serious fights now and just quickly cash out with a few more paydays, I won't begrudge him for doing that.

    Still, I don't understand why he's doing it at this point. He's accomplished just about every thing he could possibly could in the sport of boxing. He's made millions and millions of dollars. Does he really need more money? Maybe he really does love the sport that much and wants to get that feeling of competition a few more times before he's finally forced to call it quits for good. But I think that's a dangerous game he's playing at this point, and it would be better for his near immaculate legacy and his health to just call it a day while he's still on top. He's a grown man, though, so he can do what he wants.
     
  13. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    What does Kabayel have to do with the fact that many fighters fight 2 to 3 times per year?
     
  14. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    The "problems" in HW started when Norton became the WBC champion without beating Ali or Leon Spinks.
    The "problems" in HW continue through Holmes, who never became WBA champion (nor undisputed), and later renounced the WBC title in favor of the new IBF federation...
    Don't be surprised by Bowe throwing the WBC belt in the trash can, or Usyk's actions, or anything in the interim (between Norton and Usyk); "problems" started at least 50 years ago.
    I only superficially examined the problem, and IMHO the problems, at least in the theoretical sense, started with the appearance of the second belt, ie. during the reign of Joe Frazier.
    One belt, one champion = lineal champion.
     
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  15. Shay Sonya

    Shay Sonya The REAL Wonder Woman! Full Member

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    We should appreciate Oleksandr Usyk while we still have him, alphabet belts or no alphabet belts. He has convinced me he is one of the greats.