Dela Hoya vs Buchanan

plus Kenny would be in & around 140 too, come fight time, but ODH is too big and too good, so I don't see Kenny being successful here, but hey ho.

 

Personally, I haven't watched a lightweight as dominant as Oscar. His fights at lightweight often ended with the opponent's face all busted up. I'm not talking about ordinary opponents. Oscar always fought the best in every division in which he competed. But at lightweight he was nearly unbeatable. He was too strong and fast and tall and hit too hard.

 

Buchanan was a bit more than,"mildly talented",imo,but he wouldn't be able to match Oscar's power,or speed U dec for De La Hoya.

 

lol.The acceptable face of trolling!

 

I totally disagree, but that's our opinions!

 

BTW, Greg Haugen was a helluva fighter, way underrated, very skilled, excellent fighting instincts that he developed while under fire. He had some personal issues that held him back from reaching his full potential.

Sorry, that just needed stating.

 

Totally agree Haugen was indeed underrated, a very tough guy as well.

 

I've been reading some crazy stuff here. About how 'dominant' ODLH was at lightweight and his 'impressive run' at lightweight. What a load of crap! If one wishes to wear rose colored glasses, that's fine. But I think everyone here is looking at the DeLaHoya career as a whole rather than looking at the question, which was Buchanan or ODLH at lightweight. So let's look at what Oscar achieved at 135. Can anyone tell me how many fights he had at lightweight? If you said 7, you would be correct. This was the 'dominant' Oscar with his 'impressive run'. I was not one of these guys who jumped on the Oscar bandwagon back in the day. When he was a jr. lightweight I wanted to see him fight Paez, Genero Hernandez, Jesse James Leija and JJ Molina. And he did. But not until he moved up to lightweight and they were all still jr. lightweights. I was so PO'd back then because he looked like just a bully on the playground fighting these little guys. They were 4 of the 7 fights he had at 135. the others, who were real lightweights was Rafael Ruelas, John Avila and Carl Griffith. How Avila got a title shot I'll never know. Only Ruelas and Griffith were decent and Griffith will never be remembered in the annals of the sport as anything more than a footnote. So that's it for Oscar at 135. So let's look at Buchanan, the career lightweight. Ken beat world champs Ismael Laguna (twice), an aging Carlos Ortiz, Carlos Hernandez and Jim Watt while also beating top contenders Ruben Navarro, Frankie Narvaez, Antonio Puddu, Donato Paduano (welterweight), Andries Steyn, Maurice Cullen, Al Ford, Angel Garcia and Frankie Otero (twice). Now that was an impressive run. To be clear, I disliked Oscar when he was clearly avoiding fighters his own size, but I grew to like him as he moved up and actually began taking on decent competition at jr. welter and welter. But don't talk to me about Oscar at 135. He had a long way to go before gaining the experience to take on a Kenny Buchanan.

 

while I agree with the first part of you're statement, the 2nd part is deeply wrong...

the average Euro might be behind the average American, but the TOP were not...

Buchanan was a Top and Capable fighter ready for anyone in his lane, just not the greatest among them as I understand it.

it's simple for me like you say, Skill, Talent and Ability favours ODH I'd say over the smaller Buchanan and that is not a bad thing either.

Big vs little at the Top.

 

I completely agree that Buchanan's 135lbs record is miles ahead of ODLH's. No comparison.

The "little guys" you reference ODLH as looking like a playground bully next too, were likely heavier in the ring vs Oscar than Ken was at LW, though.

Same day weigh in conditions from Ken's era, and ODLH losses, either on the scales or as a desperately drained fighter in the ring.

Under the day before weigh in conditions ODLH fought under, he would be ever so much bigger than Buchanan by the time they stepped in the ring. Much bigger and probably faster, too.

 

Duran couldn’t dent Buchanan despite hitting him with everything but the kitchen sink and only got the KO on a low blow.
De La Hoya isn’t koing Buchanan.
Close Decision for Buchanan pulling it out late

 

Crazy crazy crazy Buchanan fans. Never understood it. His resume is stacked from top to bottom with nobodys. When your best win is over an aging Ismael Laguna and then your resume drops off from there dont talk smack about how great his resume is. Ortiz, Hernandez, Laguna? All past their primes. Watt? Literally YEARS away from his peak and thats Jim Watt! A modestly talented European level fighter. Really? Those are the big names on his resume? Paduano was nothing more than a clubfighter, and Navarro and Narvaez were nothing special either. Carlos Hernandez had been formidable years earlier but this was his last fight and he was coming off a loss he was also a late replacement for Sugar Ramos (coming off two losses and banned for being medically unfit in Mexico) and two days before the fight had to sweat off five and a half pounds. He still came in a half pound over weight and had to sweat that off as well. Buchanan is the definition of a Euro fighter who made his name being very selective with name opponents who no longer had anything left to offer.

Duran couldnt dent Buchanan? He dropped him and was beating the hell out of him in one sided fashion. Buchanan quit that fight and anyone who disagrees can go watch the tape. Buchanan clearly instigates punching after the bell and then acts like hes been shot with a hunting rifle when Duran barely brushes his trunks with a light punch. Then tries to force a DQ only to cry and try to go back out when he was ruled a loser. That was actually the best thing that ever happened to him because he never shut up about it afterwards and made his reputation by pretending Duran somehow lucked out and ducked him.

The revision around Buchanan is simply weird. The guy wasnt a big puncher, wasnt particularly fast, wasnt some master boxer. He was a stereotypical straight up and down European fighter who relied primarily on the one two. Comparing this guy to legitimate all time greats is comical.

 

Convenient that Laguna is ancient and Watt is a youngster, Laguna was only 27 when he and Buchanan first fought, Watt was 24.
I suppose according to you if Buchanan had beaten Duran, he gets no credit because Duran was just a scrappy whippersnapper barely out of his teens?

Buchanan was the second best or third best lightweight for many years.
Oscar never even won a proper title at the weight and feasted on 130 pounders.

Buchanan had one of the best gas tanks of all time, Oscar had bad stamina, he always did, even over 12 rounds he slowed, over 15 he’d be dead.
Do you think fishnets can KO Buchanan? I don’t, no chance.
Buchanan would wear him down and win all the late rounds over an exhausted Oscar.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.

 

I don't think he is simply talkin 'age' he is meaning at the beginning or end of a Career...

I'm not sure what all the fuss is about here, Oscar is a Bigger Stronger man who also happens to be an excellent Boxer & fighter, so its just simple mechanics and 'most' bigger men beat smaller men.