the what fights did you watch today\scorecard thread.

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  1. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I don't know if anyone has checked out this fight. It is the bout between Florentino Fernandez and Rory Calhoun. I saw it some time ago and it's a good one.
     
  2. scartissue

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    Wilfredo Gomez v Albert Davila

    No sense running a card here. Except for the 7th round which I scored even, I gave the rest to Gomez, who dropped and then stopped Davila in the 9th for a 80-73 score through 8 completed rounds (actual scores: 80-72, 80-72 and 79-73 all for Gomez). Despite my score, Davila was in every round with his sharp combinations, but he simply lacked the punch of Gomez. I will mention, throughout his career, Gomez acted like a real stroke with some of his dirty fighting, which was unnecessary with his level of talent. And it was no different here with the way he tried to get at Davila after the ref stopped the fight and when he decked him. I will mention one more thing. I recall Gomez' fight with Eddie Ndukwu at the weigh-in. The contracted weight meant nothing in Puerto Rico. When Gomez got on the scale everyone crowded around the scale so no one with a camera could see - the sound of the balance bar audibly striking the frame - and Gomez jumps off, the PR official announces the contracted weight and Gomez grabs a cup of something and visually downs it, thus preventing him from having to get on the scales again. Someone from ABC grabbed the cup and stated that it was a completely dry cup with no residue in it. Fast forward many years later and I met Davila. He told me verbatim the same story (except for examining the cup) that happened to him in PR. He said he had no idea what Gomez actually weighed. Other than all this, an interesting fight.
     
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  3. SOGbodyjab

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    Lupe Pintor vs Alberto Davila II

    9:10 Davila
    9:10 Davila
    9:10 Davila
    10:9 Pintor
    9:10 Davila
    10:10 Draw
    9:10 Davila
    10:9 Pintor
    10:9 Pintor
    10:9 Pintor
    9:10 Davila
    10:9 Pintor
    10:9 Pintor
    10:9 Pintor
    10:9 Pintor

    144:142 Pintor

    Davila was boxing beautifully for the first half of the fight until Pintor took over. I think Davila should've move and box instead of getting inside and trade with Pintor in some middle to late rounds. Pintor won my respect in this fight. He always find a way to win.
     
  4. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My score. We're on the same page.

    Lupe Pintor v Albert Davila II (bantamweight title)

    Round 1: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 2: 10-9 Davila
    Round 3: 10-9 Davila
    Round 4: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 5: 10-9 Davila
    Round 6: 10-10 Even
    Round 7: 10-9 Davila
    Round 8: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 9: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 10: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 11: 10-9 Davila
    Round 12: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 13: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 14: 10-9 Pintor
    Round 15: 10-9 Pintor

    Total: 145-141 Pintor (actual scores: 146-142, 143-142 and a 143-143 Even for a majority decision for Pintor)

    I've been meaning to have a look-see at this fight as I haven't seen it since I saw it live. Man, what took me so long? I loved this fight. Such sharp, clean punches throughout the night. It didn't bode well for Davila down the stretch as that's Pintor's wheel-house. He just had that ability to accelerate down the stretch. Again, brilliant fight.
     
  5. scartissue

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    Jimmy Beecham v Hector Constance II

    Always looking for a good fight but this wasn't it. I had never seen Jimmy Beecham fight before and from his record I got the feeling he was more boxer due to his low number of KOs (12 out of 75 fights). Well nothing is further from the truth in that matter. Beecham was a pressure fighter, a grinder, if you will. He reminded me of a Charley Riley or a Frankie Warren. The kind of pressure fighter that just lacked that KO punch. Constance, on the other hand was a sort of flailing arm puncher who looked like he was going to do something in rounds 3, 4 and 10, but invariably ended up on the inside or against the ropes with Beecham pounding him. Beecham was King on the inside so I don't know what Constance was being told by his corner or maybe he just simply couldn't keep his opponent off of him (I lean towards the latter). Anyways, I gave every round to Beecham for a 100-90 score (actual scores: 98-92, 99-92 and 99-93 all for Beecham).

    I should mention the era here was mid-50s. Although televised, the fight crowd back then expected a fight every time. Jack Drees was the ring announcer and the ringside commentator. He spoke sparingly. In one of the rounds I don't think he said a thing until just about the end of the round while Beecham was pounding the mid-section of Constance throughout. There were a number of hecklers in the audience that demanded value for money and I had to laugh as they were close to Drees' microphone when they were yelling "Hey, Hector, when are you going to take your dive?" And "Hey, Constance, you stink!" I still found enough in the fight to enjoy for historical reasons but would still like to see some more of Beecham against a live opponent. Glancing at his record, he lost very close decisions to Kid Gavilan, Spider Webb and Henry Hank. So he was right there amongst the top dogs of his era.
     
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  6. salsanchezfan

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    Michael Spinks W12 Eddie Davis

    This is the fight I usually bring up whenever anyone mentions hard-to-score bouts. I watched it on CBS when it aired live, and thought it was a dubious call then, and tried to score it in December of 2012 and was met with similar frustration. I couldn't score that thing to save my life.

    I think I know what it was; in 1984 I was a neophyte fan who was as yet relatively unlearned in the ways of scoring boxing matches. In December of 2012 I was taking leave from work to welcome my first daughter. I would wake up at 4:00 in the morning and take the baby downstairs to give the wife some relief from the feedings every two hours, and give the young one a bottle. While she ate and dozed, I would watch boxing in my foggy, sleep-deprived state. This was one of the bouts I attempted to score.

    Watching it now, it doesn't feel as difficult. Davis made a very good effort of it, starting very well with outstanding head and upper-body movement while applying intense pressure and throwing enough to keep Michael honest and backtracking. Spinks continually missed early on, and in those instances where he did connect, Davis took the shots really well. He showed a hell of a chin.

    Problem was, Davis was either in one mode or the other; he seemed overly concentrated on moving forward while slipping and ducking punches but while in that mode, he forgot to punch enough. Spinks for his part was smart enough to sense the need to take advantage of these punchless spells, and work hard, really turning on his punches and just generally outworking Davis. He was consistently being backed up and was almost never the aggressor, but he showed remarkable poise and ring IQ in recognizing what his position was and what he had to work with. It wasn't ideal for MIchael, but he made it work. Such a heady fighter.

    1. Davis
    2. Even
    3. Spinks
    4. Davis
    5. Spinks
    6. Spinks
    7. Spinks
    8. Spinks
    9. Davis
    10. Spinks
    11. Spinks
    12. Spinks

    117-112 Spinks. Nowhere near as close as I originally thought. Davis just compartmentalized his offense and defense to a detrimental extent, and Spinks saw that and took advantage.
     
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