Joe Frazier vs Usyk

Thank you! , a return to sanity

 

Him and Tyson. And maybe Wlad.

 

FOTC Frazier wouldn't exist if it had been Usyk, because Usyk would never say the **** Ali did that led to the creation of FOTC Frazier. Let's at least be clear on that. Ali found the one way to motivate his opponent to transcend himself and fight like he never did before and never would again.

 

Usyk has never been stopped in 375 pro and amateur fights, but a guy that is 4 inches shorter and is anywhere from 15 to 30 pounds lighter is going to stop him?

 

Yes because of the power of legends. The further back you go in boxing history, the more points fighters get to their stats. James Figg is over 9000 for instance.

 

My initial instinct was to go with my boy Frazier, but after rewatching the Ali and Nistor bouts, I'll unfortunately have to go with Usyk.

Usyk could actually maintain distance in the ring without backing himself up to the ropes, and I think his HW run makes people underrate how good he can be at exchanges, as he naturally avoids being too close to 250+ lbs behemoths. Back in CW he did an amazing job against Briedis, who is basically Frazier's size with better combination-punching, better counters and loads more southpaw experience. Briedis is also iron-chinned, and Usyk busted his face up pretty good in that fight.

Plus the fact that Frazier never fought a southpaw and had a bad left eye. Usyk would literally be invisible to Frazier in certain moments, Frazier (mostly) wouldn't see that jab and lead right hook coming, nor would he be able to respond when Usyk rolls to his left to avoid the left hook and counters from that blind spot with his own shots. Just a nightmare for the guy really.

 

Easy peasy. Joe will just start smoking to get past the jab. It's not like he's legally blind to Usyk's lead hand or anything like that

 

I believe he was stopped once. Could be wrong though

again he has never faced a body puncher this great so it’s a moot point

 

Man there are some wild posts on this thread

 

Over 15 I like Frazier. Usyk's toughest fight at heavyweight was against Chisora and the pressure Frazier would put on him would wear him out ..

 

I don't consider the "mercy rule" a real stoppage because there is no such thing in the pros. Usyk shows us why in his last fight.

So your argument is saying that probably the most well-conditioned boxer of all-time can't take body punches from a guy that is 20 lbs. lighter than him?

 

Let's hear your take Jonathan.

 

Usyk would beat the crap out of him. The cruiser Usyk would be too fast and nimble, and the heavy Usyk would be too goddamn strong and powerful. Either version has a much higher boxing IQ and physical advantages.

 

Even though I think Usyk is the greater fighter overall Joe Frazier is all wrong for Usyk

Joe Frazier will be on Usyk like hot butter on toasted bread


Joe Frazier by decision