Did Liston Get Exposed By Ali

He did that better.

 

Here you go:

So Ali was just a kid, probably only had to put in mediocre effort to get in heavyweight championship fighting shape after having an invasive surgical procedure ... but Sonny, poor, Sonny, he would require extreme effort to merely stay in shape since 99.9% of the work had already been done.

 

Mentioning it as fact during or in the lead-up to the fight is a far different thing, to me, than citing it as an excuse for why Foreman lost (or lost how he lost) and having it literally repeated in every thread that ever mentions Sonny losing to Ali.

It's like there's this -- one poster used the word cult -- thing where we cannot just acknowledge that Ali was far, far better than Sonny when they fought ... it has to be explained away: inactivity (lol), he was 50 years old, his arm was nearly severed and hanging from his shoulder by a thread, he threw the fight for the mob, the second fight was postponed (didn't seem to bother him when the Patterson fight was), etc., etc.

Can you find places where Ali-Foreman is discussed where multiple people explain away the result by saying it was because Foreman hadn't fought enough rounds recently?

 

There's an awful lot being taken out of context on this thread. Seemingly deliberately too, which is a real shame.

 

Correct Pat. I knew you would see it my way.

 

Well first, I illustrated that it can be considered as a reasonable factor, notwithstanding when that factor (even in potential) is addressed and factored in.

And yeah, I’ve read it previously on a number of forums (forums just like this one) re the relative low number of rounds Foreman had under his belt going into Zaire.

The definition for the term excuse is malleable and open to interpretation. You can have either valid or invalid excuses.

Generally the interpreted connotation for the term excuse is negative = false explanation.

Highlighting the lack of rounds isn’t trying to explain away a loss - it is simply a fair and reasonable consideration in so far as it’s possible negative influence on performance.

As to Cults…I don’t see the problem. Wrap your ears around this classic number:-

[url]https://youtube.com/shorts/MXNU6pQFkok?feature=share[/url]

 

Liston was a very great fighter who came up against a very much younger kid whom so happened to be the best heavyweight who ever lived.

If we want to cut right to the bone, that's what happened imo.

 

I lost a lot of respect for you when I hit that link … and wasn’t Rick Roll’d.

 

I cleverly anti-Rick Roll’d you by Blue Oyster Culting you instead.

The key is, you didn’t see it coming. It’s not what you were expecting.

Fear the Pugguy. He’s never gonna let you down.

 

The sport itself was exposed for its corruption.

 

In terms of exposed, I do think the way Liston quit raises questions about his mettle. Especially since there's reason to believe he quit again in the rematch.

 

He didn't quit , he was pulled. Liston was also 10 years older than Ali. You dont see that very often. Goes to show you how great McCallum was going against Toney, being 11 years older as well. Anyway, Yes Liston was the favorite no doubt. But it does take hindsight to understand this one now doesn't it. It's Ali dude, enough said.

 

The thread hadn't been posted in for 3 years before the last two posts.