Anthony Joshuas career is a disappointment

Joshua was vulnerable and mentally weak even before the accident.

 

"Prenga hits like a truck bro"

"That uppercut would have KO'd a horse"

"Joshua showed the heart of a true warrior"

 

I haven't downgraded anything
You are on the offensive because I gave facts to your facts and it appears to have troubled you.
Let's try again
You make silly comparisons to suit your narrative, so I will give you one
How did Whyte do against Parker compared to Wilder
See how simple it is?

Now what was explained to you was that holding a high ranking can sometimes be due to other fighters taking bigger risks and losing around them
That's not dismissing an impressive amount of defences but pointing out defences can be due to the opponents, hence Wilder lost to a fighter Joshua defended against
Another thing is that defences are impressive but made up of who you face
Now in the time Wilder was a champion Whyte fought Joshua, Browne, Rivas, Chisora a couple of times and Parker which arguably equates to fighting at a higher level regardless of how he may have faired
Hopefully you can see what has been said and won't feel so defensive

 

It's funny how quickly opinions change in boxing.

After Fury vs Wach, everyone was suddenly saying Joshua murders Fury.

A few hours later it's changed again lol

 

Indeed... you can't train your brain, once you are shattered mentally, it will never ever be the same again. It really is that simple.

 

I thought there was a shot before the uppercut.

 

Prime Whyte got KO'd by Joshua, KO'd by a borderline shot nearly 41 year old Povetkin, and KO'd by Fury. He also got KO'd in 1 by Itauma when shot.

Prime Wilder got KO'd twice by Fury but also got a draw, and put Fury down four times over three fights. Wilder's two other losses were when he was shot. Clear advantage Wilder.

Wilder has 10 defences, his best wins being Ortiz x2, Stiverne 1 and Chisora. Wilder beat Chisora with the officials firmly against him, Whyte beat Chisora with controversial calls in his favour. Whyte very likely would have lost to Ortiz, certainly over two fights. Even some of Wilder's lesser title wins: Duhaupas and Washington, KO'd Helenius, who is one of Whyte's best wins and who took him the 12 round distance, but who Wilder KO'd in 1.

Whyte lost three times not because he took more risks than Wilder, who fought Fury x3 + Ortiz x2, as well as more top 15-30 fighters, but because Whyte was not as good as Wilder. Whyte was simply a one-time contender who never accomplished anything of note post-Rivas.

 

Oleksandr Usyk
Tyson Fury
Anthony Joshua
Daniel Dubois
Joseph Parker
Joe Joyce
Dillian Whyte
Agit Kabayel
Andy Ruiz
Fabio Wardley
Zhilei Zhang

All have better resumes than Wilder.

Deontay Wilder doesn't even have a top 11 resume in the post Klitschko era. So disgraceful. I'm genuinely not in the business of being harsh towards professionals who step into the ring but his career was genuinely a pathetic farce.

In the 160 history of Queensbury Rules Boxing, of all the champions that have 10 title defences his resume is arguably the worst.

Either him or some early 21st century ultra protected WBO German can crusher like Sven Ottke, Jürgen Brähmer or Felix Sturm.

 

"All have better resumes than Wilder"

They don't though. You have to ignore losses and draws to come to that conclusion. Vitali's resume was similar to Wilder's but no one cares. He's in the HoF, as Wilder will be, and most of the rest you named will not be.

"Of all the champions that have 10 title defences his resume is arguably the worst."

Even if that were true it would not be a condemnation. 10 defences is a very exclusive club. Joe Joyce would trade in an instant: a 16-5 contender who never contended for a world title.

 

There's those words "prime and shot" that gets used to suit agendas and although real things are being used to try and suit yourself.
Then following your logic prime Wilder got beaten by Parker and stopped by Zhang who was older than anyone you have mentioned to suit your agenda and you like to site age to suit your argument but fail to mention Ortiz or Zhangs ages
You decided that Wilder was prime during Fury 3 and shot when he lost to Parker and Zhang and then claim amongst all the defences you site that he scored one of his best wins beating Chisora who was 42 and who was 12-7 in his previous 19 fights
One of those losses was a KO loss to Whyte which makes your whole argument above sound silly based on you using your logic.

You have to look at how you determine risks
How big a risk is it for Wilder having the 3rd fight with Fury when he had everything to gain and less to lose
Do you think it would be more riskier than a number 1 contender taking on a big challenge when knowing that if they lose, may not get their long awaited title shot?

Tell me why you are so troubled when we talk about defences and that Wilder lost to a fighter Joshua defended against
Why does that bother you?
Are you personally friendly with him or someone connected to him?

 

I'm sure he would trade it in as well
Instead he faced a tougher run that consisted of Parker, Zhang, Hrgovic, Dubois, Parker in 21 fights rather than over 50 fights
I am sure he would have hoped for an easier route to a world title than Jennings, Takam Dubois, Parker and Zhang when only having had 16 fights as well as Stiverne who you noted for Wilder
Consider what I said about risk and having to sometimes take bigger risks to get opportunities which can end in disaster before you get a bigger opportunity

 

33 year old Fury is a far bigger risk in terms of a loss than a near 41 Povetkin, who was crap by comparison. We saw what happened to Whyte when he fought at Fury level, and Wilder would have never got destroyed by a shot Povetkin.

Chisora had dubious points deducted in the Whyte rematch which may well have led to the KO loss through excessive aggeression. Whyte only got the Chisora decision win due to being the A-side, Wilder got it despite being a massive B-side, and being regarded as significantly further past his best than Chisora, with 4 losses in his past 6 fights, and one of his wins being a bum.

Wilder was shot when he fought Parker at 38, 25 months removed from his 2nd brutal KO loss to Fury, with less than a round of pro ring time in between. At similar ages Ortiz and Zhang were in far better form, it is not just a matter of age.

Even those who pretend otherwise know that the Wilder who barely threw a pubch vs Parker was finished. It would be like me claiming that Whyte was prime vs Itauma.

 

Vitalis resume wasn't similar to Wilders?
How old are you?
Vitali Klitschko - went 15 - 2 in world title fights, won the lineal title, beat active world champions
beat WBO champion Hide
Sanders (who was coming off a win over WBO champion Wladimir) for WBC and lineal, WBC champion Peters
There are several other good wins and decent contenders but I won't go on at this time as that alone shows a big difference

 

We are talking risk/reward
I will cut it down for you as you are struggling
Wilder when coming off a loss with little to lose challenged for Fury's title. A no major lose situation. He wasn't running the risk of losing a title and would gain a title if he won.
When Povetkin was in line for Wilder to defend against, it didn't happen. Wilder did fight Arreola who was 1-1-1-1nc in his previous 4 fights