Out of the Great Heavyweights From 2010’s/2020’s Who is the Least Washed?

Usyk easy. I know if wasn't a great fight against Rico, but he basically took him out once he woke up.

I'll give it to Wilder that he looks better than he has in a few years.

 

The most washed up in order.

1. AJ
2. Wilder
3. Fury
4. Usyk

AJ needed an Albanian cab driver to stop throwing any punches in round 2 to avoid being carted out of the ring in a stretcher.

 

Deontay Wilder punched Chisora out of the ring three times - the referee helped Chisora back into the ring after one of those.

Wilder punched Chisora in the eye in one round and Chisora called timeout - when all that happened was Wilder punched him really hard. The referee let Chisora get away with it. At minimum, it should've been a standing eight.

Wilder also floored Chisora in an earlier round, which was ruled a slip by the ref, when all Wilder did was punch Derek in the head and knock him down.

Five knockdowns - or four knockdowns and a standing eight - but only two actually counted.

Ignoring all the knockdowns is the only reason it was close. That, and taking TWO points from Wilder for pushing and scoring a Wilder slip a knockdown, also added to it.

By the end, Chisora couldn't stay standing up, but the ref made sure Wilder lost as many points as Derek, by hook or by crook.

It was a dominant performance by Wilder at an event where everyone there (including the ref and one judge) was on hand simply to see "the favorite" Chisora a win in his 50th fight.

It was a setup for Derek. But Wilder kept punching Derek out of the ring or knocking him down, so it made it next to impossible to pull off. Even though one judge gave it to Derek.

Wilder fought a better opponent than Usyk, Fury, or Joshua faced ... and Wilder was the most dominant against that guy.

Clearly, Wilder is the closest to still being on point.

I'd take Wilder to beat all three - Usyk, Fury, and Joshua. I hope he gets the opportunity to do so in the next two years or so.

 

JFC

 

Wilder beats Usyk. I've always believed that. They should've fought in the 2008 Olympics in the semifinals, but Usyk lost in the quarterfinals.

Wilder beats Joshua. I've always believed that. He certainly wipes out Joshua now.

Wilder beats this incarnation of Fury. Fury is absolutely nothing like the guy Wilder fought in 2020. (Nobody saw that version of Fury before or since.)

Wilder also should've had two knockout wins over Fury in fight one and three. But Fury got 18 to 20 seconds to recover in the 12th round of fight one and in the third fight TWICE.

If a referee like Zack Clayton refereed the Wilder-Fury fights, Wilder has two wins to Fury's one.

Wilder wouldn't have had to do anything different, and he'd have won two of the three fights.

That's how impactful the referee was in those two fights.

If a fighter would've won if a hall of fame referee was in charge, instead of shlubs who can't count to 10 and can't decide if a guy can continue until he talks to him for another 10 seconds ... that tells you all you need to know.

If everyone got 18 to 20 seconds to recover from a knockdown, heavyweight history would be a lot different.

Lennox Lewis wouldn't have been stopped in two by McCall. Ingo wouldn't have floored Floyd Patterson seven times. Foreman wouldn't have dropped Frazier six times in two rounds. Ali wouldn't have stopped Foreman.

And on and on and on.

 

Although he may have lost his last fight, Joseph Parker still seems fresher than some of the others of that era
I think he turned pro before Joshua

 

Ummmm.... Fury totally has Wilder's number. He showed the world, and everyone but Chisora (old and tired, loveable tho he is), Tyrrell Herndon (who?) and a clueless Helenius who walked into a super-lucky punch has been able to capitalize.

Wilder beats stationary targets who compliantly wait for his big overhand right. Does anyone think Usyk would do that?

 

I don't think you are serious. Chisora would beat Wach and would very likely beat Prenga, but at 42 he'd likely lose to Makhmudov, and could easily lose in a one-off fight to Rico as well. Wilder was diabolically bad against Parker and Zhang, but did better vs Chisora due to Chisora's age/wear and Chisora being stylistically tailor-made for Wilder to land punch after punch.

Usyk will do a number on Wilder, as he always would have done.

 

Wilder had right shoulder surgery after the Zhang fight in 2024. It was widely reported. The chronic damage to his shoulder apparently caused his inability to throw the right effectively against Parker and Zhang.

Wilder has had surgery routinely (hand, bicep, shoulder) in the latter part of his career. They've all been written about. But fans on this board tend to ignore practically all of them, while insisting every hiccup some other boxer suffers is the reason you can't hold a loss against them.

Since the repair to his right shoulder, Wilder scored six combined knockdowns against Herndon and Chisora ... not counting the right hand that caused Chisora to call time out at one point, nor the right hand that floored Chisora and the ref ruled it a slip.

If you count those, it's eight knockdowns/standing eights in two fights.

Wilder should've had five knockdowns/standing eights against Chisora. People watched the fight, and still pretend he wasn't knocking Chisora down or out of the ring repeatedly ... because Chisora was expected to win.

Wilder will bounce Usyk around the ring, if Usyk makes the fight. He's in his "Foreman in his forties" stage.

 

Fury had Wilder's number, and still got knocked down four times and needed multiple long counts in two of the three fights just to survive.

I don't know what Fury was on during the Wilder rematch, but everyone knows we never saw that Fury in the ring before that ... and we have never seen him since then.

Wilder fought a better version of Fury ALL THREE TIMES than Usyk ever did, and Wilder faced a better version of Fury than Joshua WILL.

And, if not for bad refereeing, Wilder would have two stoppage wins over Fury.

I hope Wilder gets one more crack at Fury, after Wilder beats Usyk. He'll stop Fury. Fury is no longer the fighter he was in 2020.

You watch, Wilder's going to end up with a win over all these guys. It's going to be hilarious.

He's finishing stronger than all of them. And he's older than all of them. All these fights count.

Wilder will end up KOing Fury, like Marquez did against Pac, and their four-fight series will take on a different view historically. Wilder will be seen as the better man. Especially, after he beats Usyk.

 

What you’re seeing is the main reason older fighter sit on their rankings and only fight each other or older lower ranked fighters for a long time. It doesn’t look as bad if they’re all slowing down around the same time and put on good fights with each other. Soon as they fight others the decline is obvious.

 

Wilder is the most shot, which makes sense as he is the oldest out of these boxers. Joshua is also washed, but that is more mental on his part, he is pretty much unraveling mentally. Fury had the most unprofessional, roller-coaster like lifestyle out of these boxers, and it has caught up to him, his physical decline is showing now, but he is still less shot than Wilder and Joshua. Usyk is least washed out of these boxers due to his professional approach to the sport, strict discipline and elite mental toughness. He had one bad showing against Verhoeven, I think it was because he didn't take that fight seriously. Obviously he also declined over the age.

 

I do not take the injury excuses seriously. Perhaps Wilder is highly injury prone, but at 41 with 4 defeats, 3 by KO, this is only a liability for him.

He beat Chisora but as the B-side he was unable to concuss him sufficiently to stop him. And 39 Usyk is not 42 Chisora. Wilder was a spent force at the top level after Fury 3, Usyk will be getting him more than 5 years and two bad defeats past his best. Wilder will be a massive underdog for good reason.