Archie Moore Of the Marciano Fight V Dubois, &Kabayel?

I think Kabayel should be the favourite.

Big, tough and aggressive is the worst style for Moore approaching his 40s. And Kabayel is exactly that. He's got that old school "I don't give a ****" aspect about him when he gets hit, as if he doesn't even feel like he got hit unless he gets tagged with a nuke. He hits like a mule himself. If he fights Moore like he fought Sanchez I think he's stopping him.

Dubois should win on paper, but I think he chokes it. Moore's got exactly the right stuff for him. Dubois can be an aggressive come forward fighter, but most of the time he just likes to bounce in and out at mid range. That's just asking to play Moore's game, where he can keep you in his prefered distance through his long guard, take subtle half steps backwards that you don't even notice as he's moving his head, and feint you to knots. Dubois unfortunately likes to stand back and think, even though he's not good at it. You can literally see it in his posture and body language when it happens. He's not exactly hard to put a spell under, and this will screw him up a lot vs Moore. He'll be more confused than a nun in an AC/DC concert and he will hesitate plenty, allowing Moore to take the initiative and work uphill from there.

Plus, Dubois often likes to clinch after throwing. A lot. It's his way of keeping himself safe after opening himself up and negating any return fire. Watch him vs basically anyone, AJ, Hrgovic, Wardley, and you will see him do it. Lady luck deserts him again here, coz Moore has got one of the best clinch games in history. Almost Duran esque level ability on the inside, and that's no exaggaration. Look at him vs Maxim 1 and versus 6'3 210 lbs Nino Valdes where he's on the inside for 90% of the fight against the bigger man and dominating him through superior positioning and savvy. He takes away Valdes' space and changes his stance, making each shot he throws a cuffing shot with no real follow through. Dubois is physically strong, stronger than Valdes, but he's super passive there and not Valdes' superior in this regard.

The size and strength difference is very big, and Moore will have to work for it a lot, which won't be easy given this is a version of Moore right as he began to noticeably decline. It's possible he gets floored a few times, but I trust his heart more than Dubois'. I think he's got this.

 

Yeah, I'm not denying any of that happened. But you can absolutely point out that Dubois has been KOed twice by Usyk - who definitely doesn't hit harder than Moore - and has been dropped three times by Kevin Lerena.

 

No, but a Moore who fights Dubois wouldn't be a middle or light heavy either. Also McVey, you know full well that your reasoning here is flimsy at best. "If he gets stopped by Bivins and Morrow, how could he ever beat X" is just the lowest level of analysis.

Id be surprised if he hits harder than Archie Moore. He hurt Tyson Fury, he's not even the first cruiserweight to do that - and he failed massively to actually stop him. And, I don't know what Joshua would say given he's been down like 10 times now and none of them were from Usyk

 

Yeah I do.

 

He beat 23 men you can count on boxrec yourself
Secondly nice of you to just forget about everyone else he beat.
It’s quite a bit more than a few hw champs

 

Moore has come in the ring over 200 before. High 90s. Imagine if he had PEDs? Imagine if Dubois wasn’t a walking steroid? He would be 215 in 1950. You’re equivocating skill with performance enhancing drugs. Even so dubious not a great fighter and prob gets knocked out here

 

The ironic thing here is Archie has just as many wins of 200 pound men as Dubois. But it’s supposed to be this massive edge he has.

 

It’s on boxrec I counted twice. I’m not listing every name. The proof is there that’s my reference. Secondly almost all of Dubois and wardleys wins are against nobodies