The Ring Rates Heavyweight Champions, August 1987

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  1. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    DEF DUR SPD FWK PWR RES CHN OPP HIS TOT

    1. Muhammad Ali 10 8 10 10 10 8 9 10 10 10 = 95
    2. Jack Johnson 10 8 9 9 9 8 9 10 9 10 = 91
    3. Joe Louis 7 10 7 10 5 10 9 9 10 10 = 87
    4. Jack Dempsey 6 10 9 8 5 10 9 7 7 10 = 81
    5. Gene Tunney 9 9 8 9 9 5 7 9 7 8 = 80
    6. Larry Holmes 8 8 9 8 8 6 6 8 8 6 = 75
    7. Rocky Marciano 5 10 10 6 5 10 4 6 7 10 = 73
    8. Sonny Liston 6 5 7 6 6 10 6 8 9 6 = 69
    9. Ezzard Charles 7 6 6 8 8 6 6 8 9 4 = 68
    10. Jersey Joe Walcott 6 7 7 7 8 6 7 6 8 6 = 68
    11. Joe Frazier 5 10 7 6 5 7 6 6 7 7 = 66
    12. Jim Jeffries 5 9 9 4 3 9 7 5 7 8 = 66
    13. Floyd Patterson 5 9 3 10 7 6 7 7 5 6 = 65
    14. Max Schmeling 6 7 6 6 6 7 6 6 8 7 = 65
    15. James J. Corbett 7 6 5 7 7 4 7 6 6 8 = 63
    16. Bob Fitzsimmons 5 8 8 5 4 7 7 6 7 6 = 63
    17. Jack Sharkey 7 6 6 6 6 5 6 6 8 4 = 60
    18. John L. Sullivan 5 8 8 3 3 8 6 3 5 10 = 59
    19. Max Baer 6 3 5 6 5 8 6 7 7 5 = 58
    20. James J. Braddock 7 7 6 6 6 4 6 5 6 5 = 58
    21. George Foreman 6 6 5 4 3 10 7 5 7 5 = 58
    22. Tommy Burns 7 6 6 5 5 5 7 5 7 4 = 57
    23. Leon Spinks 4 6 5 6 5 5 6 5 5 3 = 50
    24. Marvin Hart 5 6 6 5 4 4 6 4 5 2 = 47
    25. Jess Willard 5 6 6 3 3 6 6 3 5 3 = 46
    26. Ingemar Johansson 4 4 3 6 3 8 5 5 4 3 = 45
    27. Primo Carnera 3 6 5 3 2 5 6 3 4 2 = 39

    DEF – Defense
    DUR – Durability
    SPD – Hand Speed
    FWK – Foot Work
    PWR – Punching Power
    RES – Chin / Resistance
    CHN – Determination
    OPP – Quality of Opposition
    HIS – Historical Impact
    TOT – Total

    Sorry for the mess of a formatting, but didn't know how to put it in a text form corretcly. Here's a link to the image: https://ibb.co/FqNFYhwv
     
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    MaccaveliMacc, Jul 29, 2026 at 12:24 PM
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  2. Fogger

    Fogger Father, grandfather and big sports fan. Full Member

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    This is really interesting and I I’m looking forward to looking it over. That being said there was something missing. Each of the boxers has 10 individual ratings plus a total. But their Are only nine category abbreviations plus the total. Do you know what’s missing?
     
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  3. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I think natural ability part. You have everything on the screenshot.
     
    MaccaveliMacc, Jul 29, 2026 at 11:47 PM
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  4. Flavius

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    The numbers are ridiculous and far from the truth. For example Ali was given 10 (the maximum points) for punching power. Who is really thinking Ali punched harder than Foreman (3 points) and Max Baer (5 points) and Liston (6 points)... Was Foreman really worse than Patterson?
    There is something really wrong with that chart.
     
    Flavius, Jul 30, 2026 at 12:06 AM
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    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Ali was given 8 for punching power. Foreman got 10. As I said, my copy and paste job may be shyte, lol. Refer to the screenshot more than the pasted chart.

    And yes, you can argue Patterson had a better career than Foreman up to 1987.
     
    MaccaveliMacc, Jul 30, 2026 at 12:15 AM
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  6. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    If you wrote everything correctly...
    Giving Muhammad Ali a "Power" rating of 10 and Joe Louis a 5 has nothing to do with reality.
     
    ikrasevic, Jul 30, 2026 at 12:16 AM
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  7. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Look up.
     
    MaccaveliMacc, Jul 30, 2026 at 12:36 AM
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  8. Flavius

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    Even the correct table from the image link looks unreal. The points given to Ali was so much blown up. Ali had poor to no defense after his reflexes and speed decreased in the 70s. Jess Willard was given only 6 for durability and who really thinks Dempsey, Tunney and Fitzsimmons were more durable than him???
    According the table Dempsey, Tunney and Fitz were more durable even than Frazier.
     
    Flavius, Jul 30, 2026 at 1:18 AM
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  9. MaccaveliMacc

    MaccaveliMacc Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I would assume when rating skills they took a prime version of the fighter.
     
    MaccaveliMacc, Jul 30, 2026 at 5:16 AM
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