You take control of Mike's career post Douglas how do you build him back up?

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  1. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw Combat sports enthusiast Full Member

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    Aside from keeping him away from any beauty pageants, if you were placed in charge of guiding 23 year old Tyson back in the early 90s HW scene, what route would you take?
     
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  2. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Everything Tysons team did post Douglas was correct.

    put him in vs a light punching Tillman to build his confidence. Then put him in vs a hard hitting but technically weak guy in Ruddock to get him into a tough but winnable contest.

    I would then have matched him vs a boxer who was technically skilled but not a huge hitter - like a Damiani or a rematch with Tucker

    Then have him fight the winner of Holyfield - Bowe
     
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  3. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree. All winnable fights pre prison and post prison he was matched carefully for sure. Even when he fought Holyfield the first time, Evander was coming off a KO loss to Bowe and an awful performance against Bobby Czyz. Most people thought Evander was shot at that point and that Tyson was going to rip right through him and then Michael Moorer right after. They even had Moorer on the undercard beating the brakes off of Botha to sell the Tyson vs Moorer unification. Moorer had the IBF belt and it would have made Tyson a two time unified champ.

    As we all found out, Evander still had some lead in his pencil and it was Tyson that more on the downside.
     
  4. HistoryZero26

    HistoryZero26 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I agree with this. When you get past Lennox, Bowe, Holy, Moorer, Foreman and consider Tyson wasn't a champ for most of this period Golota, Botha, Seldon, Bruno, Savarese and Nielsen are about as good a group of 6 opponents you could have Tyson fight.

    The main thing one could do would be to try to keep Tyson out of prison. But beyond those lost years and fighting Holyfield and Lennox earlier(he likely still loses but he'd have a better shot) there's not really anything you can do. Tyson didn't fight Bowe, Foreman and Moorer but actually making those fights wouldn't be doing Tyson any favors because he'd probably lose all of them. Bowe and Foreman are awful stylistic matchups for Tyson and Moorer is as tough a fight as Lennox or Holy.
     
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  5. slash

    slash Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Post prison? Avoid Holyfield and he might have a long run.

    Hey, who knows?
     
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  6. Saintpat

    Saintpat Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Either TIllman or Stewart … not both.

    Beat Ruddock’s team to the punch by offering Michael Dokes before he was matched with Razor.

    Fight Razor once, not twice, and go after Holy.
     
  7. Marvelous_Iron

    Marvelous_Iron Active Member Full Member

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    Offer Rooney a number he couldn't refuse
     
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  8. dmt

    dmt Hardest hitting hw ever Full Member

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    Foreman is a dreadful style match up for Tyson. But in the 90s? Not sure . George really lacked any speed at this point. Forwman might still win but I wouldn’t count Tyson out.

    As far as Bowe is concerned, Bowe is too unproven vs punchers. Bowe never fought Lewis, Ruddock, Morrison or any super notable puncher. Bowe liked to go toe to toe. And Bowe didn’t exactly have the fleet feet and fast hands like Douglas. I think Bowe is too unproven vs punchers and too easy to hit to beat Tyson.

    Pre Prison Tyson has a great shot vs pre Steward Lewis. Post prison? No real chance
     
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  9. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    I feel like you're suggesting we should want him to be introduced to exclusively Asian beauty pageants. Which is cruel. But probably a genre of some kind of anime.
     
  10. Turnip mk3

    Turnip mk3 Active Member Full Member

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    A fight with Moorer is more winnable than Holy . I think Tyson steam rollers him to early defeat. With the IBF title mikes some lucrative money. If he avoid s Holy he should be ok
     
  11. ikrasevic

    ikrasevic War for Souls Full Member

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    He would have no contact with Desiree Washington. I would control his "love life".
    After that comes the boxing career. I would try and manage to "bring Mike back to 1988".
    Mike is only 23 years old, and far from past prime. He would never become "Iron"; I would put him back in "Kid Dynamite" mode.
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  12. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Fighting Ruddock over 19 rounds can't have done him much good.
     
  13. AwardedSteak863

    AwardedSteak863 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He ate some huge uppercuts from Razor. That guy could crack for sure.
     
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  14. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    I rewatched those fights a while back.Some of those punches Tyson took, no way did that guy have a dodgy chin.
     
  15. Jakub79

    Jakub79 Active Member Full Member

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    Everything was fine except for the second fight against Razor, but generally, I don't think it hurt him all that much. In fact, it was a good test before the Holyfield fight—certainly better than the Holyfield-Foreman bout was for Evander prior to facing Tyson. Mike was on the right track, even though he probably wasn't quite as good as he had been in 1987.