Deontay Wilder: top 10 wins

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  1. hobby rider

    hobby rider Well-Known Member Full Member

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    It doesn’t work that way with Neet. His revisionist history only takes into account things which support his point of view.
     
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  2. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Ortiz and Stiverne looked themselves whereas Povetkin looked like a walking corpse, I don't think he landed a punch. It was a massive decline from his previous fight, and he was borderline shot then. Compare the post-covid 41 corpse retirement payday Pov with the fighter who went to war and KO'd Takam, sparked Perez etc.
     
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  3. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    But you rate Wilder for beating 42 year old, 50 fight Chisora who had 13 losses with 8 of those losses coming in his previous 19 fights

    I also rate the win, but I was giving an example of what i seem to think i recall you doing by pointing at ages, losses, sparring stories etc
     
  4. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    Yeah, but they weren't themselves. Stiverne was suffering form a disease, and Ortiz was aging and off the PEDs.
     
  5. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yes, because Wilder was 40 himself, considered quite a bit further past it than Chisora, 2-4 with 3 brutal KO losses in his last 6, while Chisora was on a career best 5 fight run which included wins over Pulev, Joyce and Wallin, and giving Fury a decent fight.
     
  6. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    I don't believe the disease thing and I don't know whether Ortiz was off PED's. Ortiz was aging, on the cusp of 39 officially, but Povetkin was 41, coming off war after war, last fight, and looked as faded as I have ever seen a boxer. Ortiz was still giving a good account of himself against Ruiz 4.5 years and 2 KO defeats later, he had a lot left. Even now at 47+ he is still boxing, knocking out journeymen like Terrell Jamal Woods in 1 rounders.
     
  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Once again, this is you trying to pass off your opinions as facts
    Understand. Your opinions are just that, and they seem all over the place to suit whichever way you are trying to go.
    Would you not think Pulev and Joyce were past it then?
    Oh dear. You have tied yourself up again.
    Wallin you have on another thread completely dismissed
    Joyce was not far off 40 at that time and only one fight removed from 2 ko losses and lost his next 2 fights after Chisora
    Interesting that a close debatable SD ranks so high for you with Chisora as it appears Wallin does too.
    He didn't
    Ngannou was a harder fight for Fury

    This once again highlights how all over the place you are with your postings
    Why would Wilder be considered further past it? You feel that because he suffered a KO more recently than Chisora?
    That's like saying Amir Khan was further past it than Barrera as he had suffered an inside the distance defeat less fights before.
    You were praising Wilder for his competition on another post

    You feel Chisora was fresher having faced Vitali, Fury, Haye, prime Whyte, Parker, Joyce, prime Pulev, Takam, Usyk, Kabayel, prime Helenius,
    And as you now appear to rate him Wallin and was entering the fight with Wilder with 13 losses as well as having been badly kod in his career previously

    I'll leave you with that one
     
  8. Redbeard7

    Redbeard7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Pretty much everyone considered Wilder further past it, despite your risible attempts to rewrite history. Check the threads before the fight, about 80% were voting for Chisora to beat Wilder by KO. Wilder was between a 2/1 and a 3/1 underdog, purely because it was believed that he was totally shot, while Chisora was on a good run. Joyce went on to give Hrgovic a good fight, Fury had just beaten Whyte with less resistance, Pulev had something left, Wallin got dominated. 3 of Chisora's 4 wins in 5 fights were underdog wins. And despite the officials being against Wilder in London, he pulled off the win in a 12 round war. Had Whyte been in the same position with the officials vs Chisora, he likely goes 0-2.
     
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  9. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Chisora was favourite but that doesn't make it an amazing win
    They were both considered faded HWs
    The run of wins you rate so highly for Chisora are a couple of opponents you don't rate that Joshua beat previously and another is a fighter you didn't rate Wilder for beating

    Whyte Kod Chisora in the rematch
    Starting to wonder if you have seen those fights
    I'm certain you haven't been watching for long
     
  10. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Stiverne wasn't suffering from a disease. His "disease" was caused by withstanding one of the worst heavyweight beatings of all time, hence his passing of the prefight physical whereas Virgil Ortiz had to repeatedly call off fights.
     
  11. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    We've done this before. Obesity is a precursor. I've shown you the study.
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    There is no study for high level athletes. You don't get cherry pick studies that do not apply. Name a single heavyweight who had diabetes while active.
     
  13. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    "High level athletes" has nothing to do with it and is your poison pill phrase. Obesity is an accepted precursor for rhabdomyolysis, which you did not know, and I showed you.
     
  14. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    Chris Farley didn't suffer a cardiac arrest from obesity. Bermane Stiverne didn't submit preflight urine tests with zero red blood cells and then have that issue after a 12 round life altering beating because of his BMI.

    In medicine, there's something called a "risk factor." I hope that you one day achieve an education level that allows to make respectable arguments to those who do. You'll be in my thoughts and prayers.
     
  15. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Loyal Member

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    Guy, don't even try. You didn't know that obesity was a precursor. The idea of you lecturing me is comical when you were and are manifestly wrong.

    I could find the old thread if you like.