Joe Calzaghe vs Prime Roy Jones jr, James Toney, Andre Ward

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Who wins ?

This poll will close on Jun 10, 2028 at 5:39 PM.
  1. Calzaghe clears

    26.6%
  2. Loses to Roy

    70.9%
  3. Loses to Toney

    39.2%
  4. Loses to Ward

    35.4%
Multiple votes are allowed.
  1. BCS8

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    Wow, so this was AI all along!

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  2. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Maybe you should reread the thread title.
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    As immensely naturally gifted as he already was, imagine a super artificially enhanced version like Roy?

    Instead of running the race on foot Roy chose to cheat and drive in a car

    But it's not merely cheating in a race it's cheating in a combat sport which is already dangerous enough as it is

    Even worse Roy chose to artificially enhance himself despite the fact the boxing gods had already blessed him with great physical advantages as it was

    Look at the roids literally bursting out of the seams

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    Carl Froch

    'Froch was left shattered when Jones career ended in shame as a drugs cheat. The Brit said: I was very, very annoyed. I put him on a pedestal. Unbeaten, a super-middleweight moving up to heavyweight and winning world titles.

    Pound of pound the best at the time, no one could hit him, he could punch, he could box, he could do everything and usually did in the ring.

    He hardly ever lost a round and then to find out he was cheating on drugs was quite devastating because I was a massive fan.

    You look back and you think was he that good or was he given an extra boost by something else?

    Were drugs giving him thee edge on his way to the top? Was it giving him the edge in hand speed, was it meaning he could go 12 rounds easy?

    Some of his fights were close late on. The guys he was fighting were looking tired and he was still looking sharp was that down to drugs?

    If he was still sharp because he was cheating, then that is unfair because you never know he might have come unstuck in those final two or three rounds.'

    Clinton Woods

    'Former IBF light heavyweight champion Clinton Woods says he’s not surprised that former opponent Antonio Tarver and other prominent American boxers are testing dirty. “I fought in America three times and the testing situation was always joke,” Woods told the Sheffield Star. “In three fights, I had one little test and was told it was only for marijuana. It’s always annoyed me how rife American boxing is with drugs and steroids, but at least they are cracking down on it now and people are being caught. The trouble is that people there will only get fined pocket money.”

    ''Me and Roy Jones didn't even get drug tested after the fight''

    "When it comes to taking drugs there is no excuse, none whatsoever"

    Woods continued with "I remember when I was boxing if I had a cold I used to go to the doctors and see if there was something that I could take because I knew that there were things I couldnt take; boxers know"

    Joe Calzaghe

    "I would hate to fight a cheat and I don't believe in cheating in any sport. I'm not calling him a cheat and I don't know what was taken or what happened," Calzaghe told The People. "I have to remember to take my vitamin C every morning and I believe in a fair fight."

    He says that even if his opponent, Jones or otherwise, took an illegal steroid, he would still beat them.

    "In athletics, a cheat gets disqualified, but in boxing if you get your ass kicked and then he's found to be a cheat, it doesn't matter because you can't reverse the decision and you've still had your ass kicked.

    ''In athletics drug cheats get banned automatically for two years, and if steroids can make athletes run faster, they can surely help a boxer to hit harder and to hit for longer and this will enable them to inflict more punishment, which I think is repulsive. During our pre-fight medicals we get tested for drugs and it's never crossed my mind to take anything performance-enhancing. I don't have a big pot of pills that I dip into all hours of the day. In fact, I have a job just to remind myself to take vitamins.

    ''I would be angry if someone I fought took something that gave him an unfair advantage because this is a dangerous sport, it's not like running. In athletics it now seems almost part of the culture, just like cycling, and the who idea is to stay one step ahead of testing. I sat alongside Justin Gatlin, at the time the reigning Olympic 100m champion, on the BBC's Question of Sport about a year ago and spoke to him afterwards. We talked about the Jeff Lacy fight because he's from Florida as well and he seemed like a really nice guy and I was genuinely shocked and disappointed when he failed a drugs test last summer. Whenever I watch athletics or cycling now I have my suspicions. Some get caught and some don't but I like to think that fighters are clean. Boxing's a warrior sport and, to me, there have always been values that go along with that.

    ''It's cheating there's no other word for it.''

    Montell Griffin

    ''Roy is not close to being the hardest puncher to ever hit me. But he was so fast that his speed was power. And you know, it's out there now, so it ain't no big secret, but he tested positive for steroids. People always questioned it, but then he tested positive and failed a test and it made me think he was on steroids for all of those fights''

    ''Roy Jones is a great fighter—one of the greatest fighters ever, but like I said, when I found out he failed the steroid test I just lost a lot of respect for him because I just thought he was on steroids when he beat me so that’s the only way I can look at it.”

    So when I took the knee, I pulled back, went down on my knee, and looked at up at the referee to start his count. By the time I looked up, the man hit me. He hit me the first time and it caught me off guard and then he loaded up and hit me the second time and at that point I could hear everything that was going on but it was like my body was paralyzed. I couldn’t move, I couldn’t do anything, I was trying to get up but I couldn’t move and I heard the referee counting and I was like, ‘Man, I can’t believe this! They’re going to count me out on this dirty punch.’ When I got up, came to, and got my faculties together I heard my brother say to Larry to disqualify Roy. Roy came over and apologized to me on like three occasions, said he was sorry. As we found out later on in his career that he failed steroid tests so I just feel that he was having roid rage. He was frustrated from what I was doing to him, he caught roid rage, he was frustrated so he hit me.''

    ''Like I said, when he failed the steroid test it kind of hurt me because of course me feeling like I was cheated, and because I looked up to this guy. Knowing that he cheated, it kind of took a little away from him.''

    Frank Warren

    ''I knew Jones was messing around with steroids. "It all came out into the public and since he's stopped using he's not looked the same fighter. ''

    Roid Jones

    Former four division champion Roy Jones Jr. is wondering whether or not Antonio Tarver was on steroids in their 2004 rematch - where Tarver, on a single punch, stopped Jones in the second round and Roy was never the same boxer after that contest. On June 22, ***** broke the news that Tarver tested positive for drostanolone, an anabolic steroid. The failed test took place prior to Tarver's twelve round draw against Lateef Kayode on June 2 in California. Jones says it is "very possible" that Tarver was using steroids for their fight.

    Since the positive test result, several of Tarver's past opponents like Danny Green and Clinton Woods have been come in the press with similar questions.

    "You can call it a lucky punch but he did have to throw it. You can call it lucky or unlucky. The only problem I got is now that he's tested positive for steroids, it's very possible that he was on steroids when it happened. Other than that, it was a good punch, a clean punch - so I just can't go off that it was a lucky punch. But if he was on steroids, then it makes me understand on how he was able to stand there and why he was so confident to throw it, because he knows he's on steroids.''
     
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  4. BCS8

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    Zaggers made him look like a clown
     
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  5. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    After saying that the fight would be pointless, because Roy had been shot since 2004?

    Wow!


    Such a shame he feared flying when Roy was still great.

    But thank goodness he managed to overcome that fear.
     
  6. BCS8

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    Roy got his ass spanked solidly.

    Joe did it without steroids.
     
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  7. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    You’ve already said this.
     
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  8. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing Aficionado Full Member

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    Joe Calzaghe would beat all three, and then his #1 hater of the past 14 years "Loudon" would commit suicide.
     
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  9. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    Right on cue.


    Joe wouldn’t even have fought the 3, let alone have beaten them.


    Labelling me as HATING again, because I watched his career in real time, where I’m not a sheep who loves his zero?


    How have you got the audacity to come on here anyway?

    The last time we conversed, you told me the following:


    “Bernard Hopkins elbowed Calzaghe, then threw him to the floor, therefore it should never have been scored as a knockdown for him”

    WTF??


    You are utterly delusional.
     
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  10. Perkin Warbeck

    Perkin Warbeck Boxing Aficionado Full Member

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    What I said was Hopkins used a punch, followed by a PUSH. A push is not a legal knockdown. Watch the HBO replay from two different angles.

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    You have a hateful obsession with a great fighter. The only time I ever see you post here, is when the name "Calzaghe" comes up. He seems to be in your head. Someone PMed me and said you are a late middle-aged man who had passionate love for Roy Jones, and you hate Calzaghe because he defeated the object of your affection.

    Please, find it in your heart to forgive Joe for defeating your beloved Jones, and move on.
     
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  11. tarrant45

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    Roy got spanked even worse by Glen Johnson 4 years earlier. So what?
     
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  12. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    It wasn’t a push.


    WTF??

    Ha!


    A passionate love for Chris Eubank?

    No.

    That’s AtBerry.


    I was a huge Benn fan growing up.

    Although when I got older I could see that Eubank played the role of the pantomime villain.

    I hardly ever comment about Eubank.


    I’ve no idea who’s told you that.

    Utterly ridiculous.


    The other thing to note, is that I have never HATED on Joe.

    Criticising and hating are 2 completely different things.


    My criticisms of Joe are all valid, with actual facts to back them up.


    The issue with Joe, is that he constantly whined for years on end, about being desperate for career defining fights, but without doing anything to proactively change his circumstances.

    Then the continuous dismissing of potential opponents, on the grounds that they didn’t excite him or warrant a fight with him, this coming from a guy who happily fought title defences against mostly non world level fighters for years.

    The icing on the cake, was fighting Roy instead of Pavlik, after literally saying that fighting Roy would be pointless, as he was a shot fighter and had been for years.

    If anyone else had done such a thing, they’d have been crucified for it.


    I debate many other subjects.

    If you’ve not seen them, that’s on you.
     
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  13. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh!

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    Didn't go too well for Toney the time he encountered Italian slickness and a high workrate. Loudon mostly shows up to defend his crush RJJ and bash Calzaghe. Crazy that he's trying to deny it.
     
  14. PopPellegrino

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    RJJ was nowhere near the elite fighter he used to be in his prime. He was knocked out by Johnson and Tarver. He actually had a somewhat competitive fight with a Trinidad who had been retired for 2+ years and hadn't fought past 160 before Calzaghe. In his next loss, he was stopped in a round by Danny Green.

    The only win I consider to be an A+ win on Calzaghe's record is Bernard Hopkins, but that was an extremely close fight, with a lot of people split on whether Hopkins actually lost. I give him credit, though, because Hopkins' racist comments definitely added more pressure to win, and he seemed calm and collected in the fight.
     
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  15. Cojimar 1946

    Cojimar 1946 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Calzaghe didn't fight a prime Jones and wisely so since it likely would have likely ended very badly for him.

    People bringing up a loss at that stage in his career is beyond pathetic given how declined Roy was and who he was losing to at that stage.