Joe Calzaghe vs Prime Roy Jones jr, James Toney, Andre Ward

Roy Jones was a reluctant Glass Jawed cherry picker who had no interest in making the difficult fights in his Prime. Did Calzaghe ever write a letter to a sanctioning body to have them change his mandatory like Jones did? Think how pathetic that is.

 

He wasn’t as past as it as much as what we claim?

Ha!


Joe himself said that Roy was shot, and that he’d be disappointed in fighting him.

Those were Joe’s own words.


Then look at Roy’s career:

The guy once won titles from MW-HW, whilst barely rounds.

Along the way, he easily beat Toney, Hopkins and Hill etc.

Yet 4 years before he fought Joe, he couldn’t win a round off of a B level Johnson, who’d split 3 fights with Woods.


So what if Joe went up to LHW?

He had to kill himself to make SMW.

He should have been there years earlier.


Regarding their ages, it’s nothing to do with age.

It’s mileage.

 

You said that it was LAUGHABLE for him to have gone 0-3.

No.


He never fought anyone as great as those guys when they were prime.


Again, he wouldn’t fight Roy, and has doubted whether he could have beaten him at his best.

His words.


Toney wasn’t always out of shape. Otherwise, he’d never have been able to have beaten McCallum, Nunn and Reggie etc.


Ward would have been hard like Hopkins.

 

I know you didn't but the point I was making was that RJJ was no longer competing at the elite level thats the point.

Yes I got it wrong admittedly RJJ was ranked briefly in the top 10. But I'm not wrong about RJJ no longer competing at the elite level that's why he never beat a single top 10 rated fighter after 2003.

It's nothing to do with being a "super fan" stop being so argumentative.

Both fighters were past their best but Calzaghe was still winning at the elite level with wins over Kessler, Hopkins, where as RJJ wasn’t that's the point different stages of their career.

It would be different if RJJ was still beating relevant top 10 ranked fighters before or after facing Calzaghe but he didn't.

Thats why Calzaghe gets more credit for beating Hopkins. Because despite his age he was still competing at an elite level and had relevant top wins before and after facing Calzaghe.

RJJ/Calzaghe would've looked alot different prime vs prime being a much more competitive interesting contest.

Lastly Calzaghe had been struggling to make weight for years so Calzaghe moving up stopped him having to kill himself to make weight there's even an article in 2004 below read it.




Calzagfather] Enzo Calzaghe and Joe, he's really struggling to work off those last three pounds to make super middleweight.

That's giving him problems with fluids leading to dehydration in the later rounds.

I don't think he has any option but to move up to the light heavyweight division."

 

Ha!

This is hilarious.


The guy you’re defending only fought 10 world level guys in his entire 15 year career.

He spent 75% of his career fighting non world level fighters.

He spent a decade defending a trinket.

More than half of his 21 defences were against non world level guys.

He spent 14 years at SMW, when for the majority of his reign, the LHW division contained better fighters.

He once fought 3 back to back non world level guys whilst in his 30’s.

He rematched a Euro level guy who he’d already beaten in a round.


All of the above is factual and verifiable.

He was one of the most protected, unambitious fighters that we’ve seen.


Now please feel free to refute any of this.

I’ll wait.

 

I'm shocked there is even a poll, let alone the ignorance of some of the votes and opinions.

Now I am assuming this would all be at SMW.

Let's look at the facts at the weight -
Who made the most defences
Who has the best resume
Who won the most titles
Who won the most unifications
Who had the longest reign

All of the above belong to Calzaghe, who I have no doubt would have beaten the lot

 

Throughball,

You are clueless.


Roy didn’t cherry pick 80% of his opposition.

And he also fought Toney, Hill and Hopkins etc.


Dariusz?

You’ve no idea.


Kessler?

Ha!

Who had Kessler beaten??


Roy fought in 4 weight classes.

Took risks.


Joe literally spent 75% of his career fighting non world level fighters.

 

Ward has the best resume, and ironically Carl Froch probably has the next best resume. Calzaghe's resume at 168 is at least as good as anyone elses though, even if just due to the longevity. The other top 168 "ATGs" used it more as a transition weight between 160 and 175, and as much **** as Calzaghe get's for ducking or whatever, they also didn't have stellar resumes at the weight... Roy's 168 run is actually not great when it comes to resume outside of James Toney - who many say was struggling with the weight a lot by that time (i'm not sure about this.)

Probably because until recently, the best fighters around that size just fought at 160 or 175 anyway...

Also, isn't there something odd about people attacking Calzaghe fighting a faded Roy Jones, and a Bernard Hopkins who would go on to achieve great success for years to come...while defending a super middleweight who defended his belt against Vinny Pazienza?

 

They didn’t have stellar resumes at SMW, but they moved up to LHW, for fresh challenges.

Whereas Joe stayed there for years, through a lack of ambition.

Joe gets no criticism for fighting Hopkins, but he gets criticised for it being his biggest win out of a 15 year career.

Nobody gives Roy an ounce of credit for Pazienza. It was just a keep busy fight. Also, it was sandwiched between fights against: Toney, Malinga, Griffin and Hill.

 

I should clarify - that last post was entirely speaking on resumes at 168. (Hence saying Froch has a better resume than most of them, lol).

…but if all fighters had the nuts and competitive drive of Carl Froch, the sport would be much greater…love him or hate him!

The other fighters mentioned are greater fighters than Calzaghe because of what they did at other weight classes, but they’re not necessarily better 168 lb fighters, I guess is the point I was trying to make.

 

The ghost of roy Jones
Fossil Hopkins
And Jeff never was Lacy

 

Yes, I understood your point.

Roy and James only stayed at the weight for a few years.

 

You’re talking about a shrink?

You?

Ha!

 

Thanks for your concern, but my weight is absolutely fine.

I hope yours is too. At least you’ll have a decent gym in the asylum where you’re being held.

Regarding Roy’s opponents, most of them were mandatories.

It doesn’t matter.

Roy fought low level guys in between big fights.

Whereas again, Joe fought non world level guys back to back, consistently, even when he’d never had a big fight, and he was in his 30’s.

Joe held a trinket for a whole decade, where more than half of all of his defences were against non world level opposition.

The guy literally spent 75% of his career fight in non world level opposition.

Out of a 15 year career, it didn’t even average out at 1 world level opponent per year.

Again, feel free to refute this.

 

As if he’s just bumped a 13 year old thread.

Ha!

Oh my.