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You disagree that Calzaghe fighting Englishmen Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, and Starie in England is not the same as him fighting Lacy, Bika and Sheika in England, let alone with 10 English officials and 0 Welsh ones vs those English fighters?

That it would've been more advantageous for Calzaghe to fight Eubank, Reid, Woodhall, and Starie in Wales with 10 Welsh officials and zero English ones and disadvantageous for Eubank, Reid, Woodhall and Starie to fight him there under those conditions?

I don't see how what I'm saying is remotely controversial or unreasonable, DP.

Again, I made it clear I don't consider it the same as Usyk and others fighting in their foreign opponent's countries and I never claimed it was some major risk or he was a road warrior

Why do you think I say that Ward had home country, home state or home city advantage vs every fighter he fought at the world level? IIRC US refs for all his fights with 23 of 32 of them being from Cali and a scandalous amount of Cali judges

So when Dawson fought him in Cali with 2 Cali judges it's home match for Ward and Dawson is the one taking the bigger risk

But zero criticism from these same clowns who crucify Calzaghe and yes Ward absolutely could of travelled to fight in some of his opponent's or rivals countries but he categorically refused to ever do so because he considered it doing it ''the hard way'' and greatly increasing his chances of losing via hook or crook

Do you consider getting spat at and verbally abused as biased support?

And Newcastle is in England not Wales

If Reid fought Calzaghe in Swansea with majority Welsh officials he would still be fighting a Welshman in Wales and therefore it would be more of a disadvantage to him no matter if he brought thousands of fans from Liverpool up with him

And FTR, there are many factors why home advantage is called home advantage which individually can and often do mean the difference between winning and losing, let alone combined

Yes, and rightly so. He looked lived with Reid for his dirty tactics, which included locking Calzaghe's arm up trying to injure or exacerbate the existing elbow injury which Reid was obviously aware of. Hence why he did it. He should've deducted more points from Reid and maybe even DQ'd him

I never said it was a deliberate attempt to stack the deck against Calzaghe but it would of been more advantageous to Calzaghe if they were Welsh or at least if there had been more neutral ones

He did have bad experiences he was spat at and verbally abused and I already showed you 2 examples from those 4 fights in England vs English fighters where English judges scored against him in fights where the neutral judges scored it for him or much or wider for him

The English judges for the Reid and Starie fights both had bad scorecards or ones which were much more favourable for Reid and Starie than the neutral ones scorecards. Even if 2 of the neutral ones had bad scorecards for Calzaghe it still proves my point and had those neutral judges been English instead of neutral Calzaghe may well have lost vs Reid

Calzaghe actually benefitted from British ref bias in some of his fights

They do have a say. We've often seen foreign fighters fighting in their opponent's countries demand neutral judges or more equal representation among them before they agree to sign on the dotted line and if those fights wouldn't have happened

“Here’s how I look at it,” Haney told Cigar Talk. “Robberies happen in the US. A lot of robberies. How many robberies? It’s too many to count. Robberies happen all over no matter where the fight is.

“Me and my team are doing the best to make sure that there’s fair judging, neutral judges, or if it’s not neutral judges, it’s gonna be a US judge and an Australian judge. We gon’ make an even playing field. That was all I demanded. I just want fair judges. I wanted nothing else.”

Haney vs Kambosos I and II - 2 neutral refs and 6 neutral judges, not a single home ref or judge in sight for Kambosos

Now watch

In the US

Kambosos vs Teofimo - US ref and 3 US judges

Loma vs GRJ - US ref and 3 US judges

Loma vs Teofimo - US ref and 3 US judges

Loma vs Haney - US ref and 3 US judges

I can keep doing this all day but no one can name me a single current or recent US fighter who has ever fought a world title fight in their foreign opponent's country with a home ref and 3 home judges. It's the norm in the US, doesn't happen in any other country

Do you think that's fair?

I never said it was a big risk and I said that Calzaghe fighting English fighters in England is not the same as him fighting non-British foreigners in England.

Again, it would've been more advantageous for him to fight those English fighters in Wales and I do not consider him a road warrior or it the same as Usyk fighting in his foreign opponent's countries

Huh? Eubank, Reid, Woodhall and Starie are English, Calzaghe is Welsh. Wales is not in England Liverpool and Newcastle are

Yes that's a risk too especially if the home fighter has home officials and the away one none but that's not the same as Usyk fighting foreigners in their countries either

Most of the people pushing these narratives on here in these Calzaghe threads are well aware he used to be a big puncher and I've personally posted a whole load of quotes from his opponents and sparring partners praising his power and I have posted them god knows how many times but they still persisted with these narratives

Just like how still to this day they completely ignore the fact that B-Hop ducked him and turned down numerous offers to fight him including in the US way before they fought each other in order to push their narrative about Calzaghe not being willing to travel in his prime

And just how they completely ignore Roy being a steroid cheat

And then they wonder why people get pissed off with them

 

To be fair, Eubank always crashed the weight late and anyone who actually watched the fight and saw the insane pace a very hard punching at that stage of his career Calzaghe set from 1st bell to last it's simply undeniable that Eubank was in excellent shape and condition and had he not been he would've been overwhelmed in the late rounds because Joe fought like a man possessed that night and set an incredible pace.

Even the commentator said this

''If Eubank is weight drained you could of fooled me''

Remember Eubank's quote about how after he got dropped in the 1st he said to himself OK, I'm going to be knocking on Calzaghe's door in the championship rounds? Doesn't sound like someone who was drained to me and his words came to pass in the fight

And if Eubank was weight drained against Calzaghe whilst not looking remotely drained in the actual fight and fighting with vigour throughout what does that make a flat as a pancake no vigour Toney vs Roy in Roy's greatest ever win?

I never once said Calzaghe wasn't well liked in England as his career progressed and he was very much the home fighter and had home advantage vs Lacy in England.

And I never said he was a hard done by foreigner fighting in a biased system in England not the UK. I don't have to repeat what I said because I've already made it abundantly clear many times already

Yes, it's not only tedious as hell it's actually pissing me off now. I don't even want to be debating Calzaghe at all because he retired 18 freaking years go and I was sick of doing so long long ago and like I keep explaining to you I'm not accusing you of pushing these prevailing narratives and insane double standards I'm referring to.