Prime Sonny Liston vs Prime Ezzard Charles

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Who wins and how

  1. Liston KO/TKO

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  2. Charles KO/TKO

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  3. Liston Decision

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  4. Charles Decision

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  5. Draw

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  1. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    At their absolute primes, I’d favor Sonny Liston over Ezzard Charles, but Charles would give him a much more sophisticated fight than Liston’s reputation as merely a huge puncher suggests.

    Assume 1950–51 Ezzard Charles at roughly 185–190 lb versus 1959–62 Sonny Liston around 210–215 lb.


    How they match up
    Charles has major advantages in mobility, combination punching, and tactical adaptability. Prime Charles was an exceptionally complete boxer. He could slip and counter, change angles, fight moving backward, attack the body, and adjust his tactics during a fight. He would be considerably quicker than Liston.


    Charles also wouldn't simply stand in front of Liston like Floyd Patterson did. I’d expect him to circle, make Liston reset, counter Liston's jab, and occasionally step inside after Liston extended rather than trying to trade bombs from midrange.


    But Liston presents some unusually bad physical problems for him.
    Liston's jab is probably the decisive weapon. It wasn't merely a range-finding jab—it was extremely heavy.

    Charles would be giving up roughly:
    20–30 pounds
    substantial reach
    physical strength
    one-punch power
    probably durability as well


    And Liston was technically good enough to exploit those advantages. He could establish the jab, force Charles toward the ropes, then throw the right hand and enormous left hook.
    Charles had a very good chin at his peak, but he wasn't indestructible. Elmer Ray stopped him, and Lloyd Marshall stopped him earlier in his career. Later, Marciano eventually knocked him out after Charles had absorbed tremendous punishment.

    Liston is one of the last heavyweights I'd want a 185-pound Charles repeatedly absorbing clean punches from.


    Charles's path to winning
    It isn't negligible. Charles could potentially produce something resembling the kind of intelligent boxing Eddie Machen used against Liston—except Charles was a greater overall fighter than Machen.


    He'd need to:
    Keep Liston turning instead of retreating straight backward.
    Slip outside the jab and immediately counter.
    Attack Liston's body.
    Avoid extended exchanges.
    Make Liston lead and miss rather than letting Liston methodically walk him down.
    For several rounds, I think Charles might look brilliant. He could even have Liston frustrated and behind on points early.


    The problem is sustaining that for 15 rounds against Liston's pressure and jab. Liston doesn't need Charles to make many mistakes. Charles needs to avoid serious mistakes almost continuously.


    My prediction
    15 rounds: Liston by TKO around rounds 9–12, roughly 65–35 Liston.



    I can envision Charles winning a decision perhaps 3 or 4 times out of 10, particularly if he gets Liston into a tactical rather than physical contest. I don't see Charles stopping prime Liston very often.


    What's interesting is that I would actually give prime Charles a better chance against Liston than Patterson had, despite Patterson being heavier and probably having greater raw hand speed. Charles was much better equipped tactically for this particular problem. Patterson's peek-a-boo entries brought him directly into Liston's artillery; Charles was far more capable of changing the geometry of the fight.


    So:
    Skill: Charles
    Speed: Charles
    Footwork: Charles
    Combination punching: Charles
    Adaptability: Charles
    Jab: Liston
    Power: Liston by a lot
    Strength: Liston
    Reach/range: Liston
    Durability: Liston


    Overall matchup: Liston TKO 10–11
    This would be nothing like Liston–Patterson. Charles is good enough that Liston would have to genuinely solve him.
     
  2. Devon

    Devon Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I’d say Liston is more likely to connect at some point, but on certain occasions I could see Charles giving him movement, feints, variety, countering, and outboxing Liston for a points decision.

    In a one-off fight, I’d edge towards Liston finding the punch at some point.
     
  3. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I love Charles but I don’t think he wins this . The 84” inch reach of Liston propelled by one of the greatest jabs of all time with lots of power behind it would create real problems for Ezzard. It would also set Sonny up to land that right hand.
     
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  4. Turnip mk3

    Turnip mk3 Active Member Full Member

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    I see it as a version of Foreman v young. Liston getting frustrated with Charles speed and combination punching .unless sonny land's a big bomb he is in trouble. Charles would Buzz round him like a wasp bouncing punches off his big Swede as Liston gets more and more angry and frustrated. Charles could hit hard enough to get sonnys respect and would be around for the return from Liston .Charles on points
     
  5. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    The problem with that comparison is that we actually have film of Liston dealing with a very similar situation against Machen, and his response wasn't to get increasingly frustrated and start loading up. Quite the opposite. He took something off his shots, shortened his punches, and concentrated on the body. In other words, he deliberately dialed back the big punching specifically to avoid the scenario you're describing.
     
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  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Gemini?
     
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  7. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 VIP Member

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    I reckon there's a few slipping in the good old AI replies :lol:

    The smarter ones are abbreviating/picking out the key points.
     
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  8. Andre2000

    Andre2000 Member Full Member

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    Geminis, be they whomans or AI programmed by said whomans, are two faced.

    Ask the same question on a different day and you’ll get a different answer. :lol:

    Trivia - Ezz did spar Sonny very early in the piece. As Ezz framed it, he had an easy time with a very young, not yet fully developed Liston.

    Now Galento was among those who said that Liston was much older than he admitted to being.

    Over time, those two facts became juxtaposed, with the twisted outcome being the belief that Galento himself sparred Sonny, therefore making him a creditable authority on Liston’s true age - lol - that alleged sparring never happened.
     
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  9. InMemoryofJakeLamotta

    InMemoryofJakeLamotta I have defeated the great Seamus Full Member

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    Negative. But I do agree with the findings of my friend. I can see Charles being a troublesome pest to Liston̈ and then Liston stops him.
     
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  10. nyterpfan

    nyterpfan Active Member Full Member

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    Liston eventually stops "The Cincinnati Cobra"--too much power--too much reach---AND, the secret ingredient--too much boxing skill. We all know Charles was a master technician but it bears repeating that Sonny had excellent ring skills to go along with his physical attributes. Liston simply has too much for Charles to overcome.

    TKO for Sonny in roughly 8-10 rounds.
     
  11. META5

    META5 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Hundred percent - an allegedly old as hell Sonny had no problem slipping Ali's jab in the first fight - he got caught cos it's an extremely quick jab that was thrown in doubles and triples off beat and on beat so it upset Sonny's timing. Slow the film down and note that Sonny was having decent success avoiding the single jabs.

    As quick as Ezz was and lord knows that Ezz is one of the absolute very greatest, Sonny has enough skill and size to box with Ezz and he will eventually catch him and make it count.

    I don't think Ezz is coward enough to run away and not engage Sonny and Sonny doesn't respect anyone smaller that he can trade shots with. One underrated part of the Ali learnings is that Ali was bigger than Sonny and imposed his physical prowess on Sonny - Ezz can't do that.