Fighters That Have Records That Are Deceptive ?

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  1. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    And don't reflect how good they were?
    Such as: Ezzard Charles
    Evander Holyfield
    Sugar Ray Robinson

    Casuals see the losses and don't realise how great they were,how most of those guys they lost to,in their prime they'd have **** on em.
     
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    2piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Iran Barkley, he wasn't a highly touted amateur and had a few losses on his way to the world level, then always fought the best of the best when 160-175 was highly competitive, then had a lot of losses after his prime. In turn having 19 losses, but like I said he was always against tough competition as he matured, at his best, then when his best had ran out.
     
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  3. Flo_Raiden

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    Bloody great pick.
     
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  5. Fergy

    Fergy Walking Dead Full Member

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    Absolutely!
    Jersey Joe s is one of those that really doesn't tell the full story behind the man.
     
  6. El'Ice

    El'Ice An old pal. Full Member

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    How does Robinson's record say anything other than amazing? 201 bouts and only 19 losses is incredible
     
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    This thread really makes me think about how boxing today has been ruined with the "modern" boxing casuals who think that fighters needs to have a perfect 0 loss record in order to qualify as a truly great fighter. This mindset that fighters can only be the absolute best with having a "perfect undefeated record" is what's hurting the sport and stopping fighters from taking risks. ATGs have had losses over the years, even double digit losses on their record. People need to be constantly reminded that losing in fights happen in boxing all the time even to the absolute great ones.
     
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  8. thistle

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    Marshall forsure, an ATG.
     
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  10. Fergy

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    Have a think about it mate.
     
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    It's definitely changed to how it used to be.
    The guys fighting back in the day,didn't matter as much having Ls on their record.
    Now as soon as they pick up a loss it seems to knock their confidence.
     
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  13. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And did you notice they need to take about a year off to get their confidence back before inching their way back against some clubfighter. Canzoneri or Zivic would've shrugged their shoulders and been back in the ring within 2 weeks.
     
  14. Fergy

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    Totally different mind sets mate.
     
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  15. Flo_Raiden

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    Other fighters worth mentioning:

    Jake LaMotta
    Joey Giardello
    Holman Williams
    Manuel Ortiz
    Joey Maxim
    Eddie Perkins
    Bob Montgomery
    Jimmy Carter
    Sammy Angott
     
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