Moses Itauma vs. Muhammad Ali

You said he wasn't a puncher when infact he was always noted for his left hook power that was highly dangerous.

Hence you're wrong

And if Ali was so exposed vs a Cruiserweight then why wasn't bigger Heavyweights with 1 punch KO power like Foreman able to stop Ali then ?

You fixate too much on weight Haye who was only 210 pounds when he fought Chisora. Is the only fighter that has stopped Chisora in the 1st half of the fight despite Chisora fighting all these giants.

Weight doesn't automically mean you have more power. And any fighter at 200 pounds and above with noted power could starch anyone if they caught them right.

 

Go away. I guess Itauma won the event.

 

I feel like Itauma should actually beat a ranked fighter before he gets pitted against the literal GOAT in fantasy match ups.

 

I agree Re. 200 pounds. Henry wasn't 200 though was he?

Itauma is 240 with very fast hands and is much more dangerous than Henry that you big up so much to support your argument. We'll disagree there.

Plenty boxers with dangerous sounding nicknames, it becomes generic at some point. Many boxers have a strong left hook and can KO an opponent. Big deal. His KO ratio was 67%, not unique.

Yeah Haye stopped Chisora but it was classed as a TKO. Whyte got the Full KO designation.

 

Aww, don't get offended Slash.

In the world of boxing, next to David Haye and Abel Sanchez... you are a nobody.

While you're out collecting special edition flavours of Pringles to watch boxing fights on your Samsung Galaxy phone, David Haye and Abel Sanchez were/are living and breathing boxing at the highest levels.

They have forgotten more than you could ever know about Boxing.

They were not questioning Moses' heart, they were giving him praise. Hrgovic was giving Moses plenty of praise. None of them said "His heart failed him"

Now you can go away, you are dismissed.

 

Haye floored Chisora twice and the last knockdown Chisora barely made it to his feet.

Had the fight been allowed to continue for 10 more seconds Chisora would've been out cold.

There's also a big difference between Haye stopping Chisora in 5 rounds. And Whyte needing a late rally stoppage in the 11th round being behind on points.

The fact is Haye was outweighed by almost 40 pounds and asserted himself much better against Chisora than all the giants he fought.

As for Cooper he was a noted puncher with a big left hook.

No one is trying to say he's one of the biggest punchers of all time.

But you simply dismissing that he's not a hard puncher is also a bit unfair aswell.

Itauma has quick hands yes but how powerful he actually hits is a bit of question mark as it stands today.

Hrgovic in a interview said Itauma was very fast but he didn't think he was a big puncher.

Until Itauma stops a live opponent ranked in the top 10 his power is up for debate for now.

 

If Itauma fought Fury, Wladimir, Vitali, Usyk, Lewis, Holyfield, Holmes, Foreman, and every other elite heavyweight when they were 21 he would literally beat them all based on your own logic EXCEPT Tyson and perhaps Ali, so it doesn't even say much.

Plus those weren't the conditions of the match up

 

Most Ali fans say that is when he was in his prime though. I would favor Itauma vs Ali pre-ban anyway.

 

Fair points.

 

I wasn't having a go at you BTW so apologies if it come across that way.

I do like Itauma aswell and I'm not one of those people that has jumped on the hate bandwagon.

I still think he has plenty of potential if he's willing to put the work in.

Fighters like Haye, Benn, Wladimir, are some notable fighters who were KO artists who gassed out in their 1st loss and look what they achieved.

Fans are too fickle and are too quick to put someone down when they have their first loss.

I blame modern boxing for that people are too obsessed with undefeated records now.

 

Yeah no worries as you say it remains to see how Moses will come back, whether it makes or breaks him. That's a choice he will have to make.

I worry that he brings too much emotion to his fights and he lets those emotions and other peoples opinions control and manipulate him. Hrgovic, like the expert he is, successfully got under Itauma's skin in pre-fight build up and it worked like a charm.

I see a lot of potential in Moses. That aside, I am genuinely happy for Hrgovic as he is deserving given the tough route he went through.

 

I don't think so. We'll see about his heart, like I said, going forward. Sanchez and Haye aint picking Itauma over Ali. Itauma's been exposed. Maybe you guys think he won the event.

 

Most Ali fans say he was at his peak in 1967, he bullies Itauma and stops him late

 

Hrgovic punching Itauma in the head in return played a big part in Itauma's stamina failing him.

Moses folded. He has time on his side to improve his stamina/heart issues. Wlad did but I don't think this kid is another Wlad. We'll see.

 

Itauma is overweight at 240lbs. Little muscle tone and a little pudgy. He needs to lose at least 15lbs and then maybe he could last more than half a fight without gasping for air like a fish out of water.