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Pishh, as much as I admire Glen, Joe's superior.

maxanthony, Aug 31, 2008

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The glen Johnson saga was a cluster****. Doesnt change the fact Joe would have owned him.

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Very talented fighter. Highly adaptable, intelligent, fast hands, great stamina and chin.

Surely HOF worthy.

But he isn't underapreciated. There are many who underrate him and just as many who overrate him.

The argument that he is the best of his generation, or as one thread dared, the best of the past 25 years, simply doesn't exist.

Whether he ducked other fighters or not isn't the point. His resume just doesn't stack up to several other fighters of his generation, and I personally feel that this is where most of the animosity comes from. His most die-hard of fans claim that he is the greatest of the era, but it simply doesn't make sense to give him that title. You can say he never lost and whether his opposition was weak or not he still beat everyone put in front of him, but Floyd Mayweather did the same thing agaisnt superior fighters and in multiple weight divisions, generally looking more impressive than Calzaghe in each performance. Floyd is not the best of the generartion, he's not 2nd best either, yet he has an edge over Calzaghe in every way that must be taken into account when rating fighters. I don't think anyone who isn't a hater (every fighter has haters, so it's not as if this is only in Calzaghe's case) believes that Calzaghe isn't an extremelly talented and special fighter, a HOF worthy boxer. All of the facts prove that he clearly is. The reason there is so much controversy is that many of his bigger fans make claims such as he is the best of the era, the best of the past 25 years, the greatest Welsh fighter of all-time, and it's clear to anyone with an unbiased view that he has not shown or accomplished enough to deserve any of those honors. For instance, it doesn't really make much sense to call Calzaghe the #1 P4P right now because Manny Pacquiao has beaten better fighters in the past 5 years than Calzaghe has beaten in his entire career, and has accomplished more in his career than Calzaghe. It's not hate towards Calzaghe, it's just facts.

I respect Joe Calzaghe. I recognized how talented a fighter he is and was, and I recognize his career accomplishments. But he is not the P4P #1 right now, he is not the best of his generation, he is not the best of the past 25 years, and he is not the greatest Welsh fighter of all-time. Opinions play heavily when ranking fighters, but as I said, Calzaghe has not accomplished enough or shown anything to deserve any of those honors. I have no problem with the man himself, I think he is a fantastic fighter, and I don't have any problems with his fans, but I do have problems with someone who claims that Calzaghe has earned the right to be called any of those titles.
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:good Good post.

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Who should Calzaghe face to get this kind of recognition? Or is it too late. Furthermore, if fighters were ducking Joe C, is that his fault? If promoters are to blame for Joe not getting the appropriate fights, is that his fault? What, in your opinion, would be the remedy for this? If there is one
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It's probably too late now, he's already chosen his last fight and it's not a title holder in his prime.

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LiamE said:

The glen Johnson saga was a cluster****. Doesnt change the fact Joe would have owned him.
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Question is who did he duck?Answer is Johnson.I didn't say he would lose or win against him,it would be a cose fight

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thunder said:

Question is who did he duck?Answer is Johnson.I didn't say he would lose or win against him,it would be a cose fight
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Is that true? Is that the fight that the public demanded? When did Joe Calzaghe duck Glen Johnson? When he was at 168?

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Is that true? Is that the fight that the public demanded? When did Joe Calzaghe duck Glen Johnson? When he was at 168?
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Yes, it was some time ago.If you don't believe me just ask.He ducked him

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That has no bearing really, hes not underappreciated cos he didint fight glen johnson, he would have been criticised for it.

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maxanthony said:

That has no bearing really, hes not underappreciated cos he didint fight glen johnson, he would have been criticised for it.
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I disn't say he is underappreciated for not fighting him,I just responded to a question.And he definetely would not have been criticized for fighting him,that is just stupid

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maxanthony said:

Why is Joe so underappreciated? Apart from brittle hands which aren't his fault, what does he do wrong that other's don't?
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Another Joe Calzaghe gets no credit thread :deadzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Its not stupid to state an opinion moron, I believe there are those that would say him fighting and beating Glen Johnson means little, he gets criticised for most ppl he fought, so why not for fighting johnson who is only a b class fighter.

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Its not stupid to state an opinion moron, I believe there are those that would say him fighting and beating Glen Johnson means little, he gets criticised for most ppl he fought, so why not for fighting johnson who is only a b class fighter.
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To say people would criticize Joe for fighting Johnson is stupid.Johnson is no b class fighter,ask Dawson and Roy Jones and Tarver

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Is that true? Is that the fight that the public demanded? When did Joe Calzaghe duck Glen Johnson? When he was at 168?
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If you want to use that as the criteria, then Pavlik over RJJ.

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hes british

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Even a b class fighter can look good againt a class oposition. He would be criticised for fighting Johnson instead of Hopkins or RJJ.

maxanthony, Aug 31, 2008

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