Calzaghe

Glen Johnson is no b class fighter.It's not about fighting him instead of Bernars and Roy.And btw Joe is criticized for fightiing Bernard and Roy too cuz they're over the hill

 

Joe never wanted to leave Wales,money,tv,there are many reasons

 

Let's be honest here. His punching technique is horrible.

He seems to do everything wrong but gets away with it.

 

Had he fought him when he was supposed to he wouldnt have got much if any credit at the time (Joe had already clearly beaten a guy coming off a win over him and Glen's record at 168 was **** to be blunt), though it would have looked good in hindsight. Had he fought Johnson though, we probably wouldnt have seen Joe fight Lacy or Kessler and missing either or both of those fights would have taken more from his resume, even with hindsight, than a Johnson fight would have added.

 

You can't know that for sure,it's just you'r opinion

 

Jimmy Wilde is the greatest Welsh fighter ever, it's not even close. Also, Freddie Welsh and Jim Driscoll accomplished far more than Calzaghe did. Wilde is a top 20 all-time P4P IMO, and both Welsh and Driscoll must rate very highly on anyone's all-time list.

If all your arguing is that Calzaghe does not get as much credit as he should for his talent, then I would most likely agree with you, although many give him too much credit. The man was not flawless, he wasn't even close to being flawless.

Rating a fighter based purely on observed talent is a worse system then rating a fighter based on their resume against top level or great fighters. Ricardo Lopez may be the most impressive fighter to watch if your looking for perfection, he looks literally flawless in virtually all of his fights. However, Ray Leonard struggling badly with Thomas Hearns but ultimately prevailing is far, far, far more impressive than Lopez looking perfect while blowing out some fighter who wasn't good enough for me to remember right now. Looking good against a C level fighter is not the same thing as looking good against an A level fighter. Lopez is still great, his dominance in his division may be unmatched in history, he looks as impressive on film as anyone else, and he did defeat some good opponents, but there is no argument for him rating in the top 50 all-time or that he was the best of his era. He never proved this against any fighter worth noting. His resume, like Calzaghe's, simply falls short of several other boxers of his time, who not only look as impressive as Calzaghe (if not more), but did so against superior fighters.

If Pele had never done much in a world cup and never won any championships, you can guarantee that he would not be thought of as highly as he is, whether the talent is still there or not, he would have never proved his talent to the degree that others would have.

Joe Calzaghe is talented, very talented. That is not up for debate. But his resume is no where near worthy of any of the titles of P4P #1 right now, the best of his era, greatest Welsh fighter ever, etc. As I said, looking good against C level fighters is not the same as looking good against A level fighters.

 

Wow, who'd a thunk it. Opinion on an interweb discusion board.

Have you got any opinions of your own to counter my reasoned opinion? Tell me, exactly how much credit would you have given Joe for fighting someone who had lost 7 of his last 11 fights, one of those victors having been comprehensively owned by Joe already?

At the time Johnson's stock was not nearly as high as it later became. You might call that opinion, others call it true.

 

Joe Calzaghe is not the TRUTH he is the GOSPEL!!!!

 

Thunder pretty much states his own opinions as facts and this isn't the first time he has resorted to that retort. In another thread he is saying one of the reasons Pavlik will lose to Hopkins is that he has never fought at 170 before, as if the 169 isn't close enough.

 

Well, at least a nut hugger willing to admit that he blindly worships Joe. Quote chapter and verse brother.....:rofl

 

he just hasnt beat the best of the best he avoids the best and fights old timers like RJJ and not pavlik

 

Joe is very appreciated but like said previously....he's not the best of the last 25 years or the best of his generation or a top 25 ATG, etc !! He's HOF material..that's it !!

 

i think the cobra just posted the 2 most reasonable rational posts ive ever read in regards to joe calzaghe on this forum

 

Thank you for the high praise.