Take Off The Rose Colored Glasses! Which Of The All Time Great Old Timers Get Massacred Today?

Well, it sure wouldn't be Sugar Ray Robinson.

 

Marciano is getting beaten up regularly

 

Dempsey, even at cruiser.

 

I still say the old timers from modern times batter most of the fighters today.

Like a lot of sports. Boxings been infiltrated by a lot of different people that want to make money out of it. All these things that they,ve developed and yet the fighters abilities gone downhill imo.

Tbf its for the best. It has improved longetivity and saved a lot of faculties. Its 100 percent the only way forward but i m not believing all these things actually improve actual ability or that the new generation would stand up to the old. The guys of the 80,s got good mainly through repetition of limited workouts but it was the repetition that gave them the ability. Between that and learning to fight by sparring hard etc.

Nowadays its unlimited knowledge/workouts but its watering down the ability etc. I still say nothing beats repetition in terms of raising ability. They,ve watered down the repetition and trying 100 different things to better it and in the end their watering down the ability.

Again it has been a great progression in terms of longetivity and saving faculties but in terms of raising ability its a no from me. I still reckon a lot of the guys Mike Tyson battered would probably beat the top heavyweights today. The generation that went down as being weak. If you watch them they could do it all. All had good jabs. All could move any which way. Could take a punch. Could fight on the move. Better footwork. You watch some of the heavyweights today. They cant even fight on the move outside of Usyk and Fury anyway.

 

You can't compare eras. It cannot work. They were the best of their time.

 

It depends on how far you go back.

For example the fighters from the 1890s-1910s i don't think their style would translate well to the modern era.

But fighters from the 1970s-1980s in regards to the eye test still hold up today and in some cases look even better than the fighters now.

As for the thread fighters like Patterson, Marciano, who were classed as Heavyweights back then. Wouldn't be suited to the modern day giants of the Super Heavyweight era.

But they would still be successful at Cruiserweight i feel.

I don't feel like Jack Johnson's style would translate well to the modern era either.

 

I have a hard time comparing because before if you wanted to become the champ you had to beat the champ. Now fighters win a belt and avoid competition so they can fight whoever is the money fighter in their division. I also don’t like all the fight stipulations from gloves and ring size, draining opponents, weight bullying. It’s possible that happened before and with our current media we are just more in tune to it. I still don’t like how the current era does business or how they fight as a whole. The current fighters might beat the older fighters, but probably with a lot of running, hugging, weight draining, and judges on their side.

 

Jack Johnson would get beaten to a pulp.

 

Disagree completely about fighters nowadays having better conditioning. They fight once in a blue moon, need a six month training camp and still most of them are gasping for air by the sixth round. Fighters from the past fought more often( with some fighting more in one year than fighters today in their entire career) were always fit to fight there was no need of a very long training camp, title fights were 15 rounds instead of 12 (nowadays most fighters aren't fit to fight 12 rounds they would die if they had to go 15). Yes they have so called specialists for everything but does that translate to better performances stamina wise in the ring? For me it doesn't.

I'm not talking about the pioneers and the fighters from the late 1800's and early 1900's I'm talking from the 40's onwards.

For example is there a WW today that looks better than SRR? Or a featherweight that looks better than Willie Pep? Is there a MW better than Charley Burley? A LHW better than Ezzard Charles!? For me there aren't not to mention the talent pool was way deeper back then.

There's not to say there aren't great fighters today cause there are some like Inoue, Usyk, Crawford, Bivol, Benavidez etc. Are amazing fighters and would do well in any era.

 

Executive summary please. WTF r u going on about.