Did Ali and Holmes have True Granite Chins

Jeez Louis was ali stunned by 187lb coopers left hook! in modern times that fight might have been stopped. for about 15-20 seconds ali didnt know where the hell he was or who he was! im shocked that one left hook effectived him so badly. cooper could crack, as the knockout of ersktine on film shows, but he was no foreman/liston/shavers/lyle type bomber.

 

I think if Frazier fought Holmes tho he'd land his share - Frazier had one of the greatest and best utilized hooks ever. Frazier - Holmes is a fascinating matchup.

On another note Snipes actually hits harder with the right than Suze thinks i reckon. The finest example is the Berbick fight.

 

Snipes had to be a somebody to be rated in the top 10. Just because you are older, doesn't mean you cant take a good shot. Look at the old George Foreman's chin. Chin doesn't tend to go down until your getting around 50 or so. You seem to discredit Holmes for getting dropped by the Snipes right hand just because it was Renaldo Snipes, and I don't agree with that. ALL heavyweights can hit and knock you out with one shot. That may have been one of the, if not the hardest shot Snipes landed in his career. Ali was dropped in the Shavers fight, but it was ruled a slip, am I correct? The big right hand that Shavers landed on Ali may not have dropped him, but he was hurt the rest of the round where as Holmes would have went down and 30-45 seconds later would be in total control again.

 

Don't forget Holmes was peak and Ali washed up. Ali was probably never in total control as he just wasn't that good anymore. If Ali was peak Shavers would be lucky to land on him, as he was with Holmes. Ali also would have been in total control. Picture the Holmes of Spinks 1 for a better comparison.

 

I think Ali's chin was just as good in the Shavers fight as it was during is peak, but I see your point.

 

Ali was KO'd in the amateurs.

 

As i said Bill1234.

I think Ali's chin was better than Holmes. That doesn't mean Holmes chin was glass. It was great also.

 

Larry Holmes also took some good shots against 6'5 230lb roy tiger williams, a very underated win on larrys resume. tiger was the most feared man of the era.

 

Both Holmes and Ali had fantastic chins. Sure they could be dropped, but they got up and survived and fought back. Both had wonderful recuperative powers.

 

Impossible! It's Ali!

 

I understand that part, but what the parts I'm talking about are the reasonings for what you are saying.

 

Of what era? The early 70's? The late 70's? He was a big player in neither and lost every time he stepped up. Even managed to lose a decision to Shavers, who by the way, should not last if he was a big puncher. Not a bad win for Holmes, but nothing special either.

 

Shavers TKO'd him. It was a big back and forth slugfest, and Shavers backed into the ropes letting Roy come in after him. Earnie fired off and landed a big right that hurt Roy bad. Soon the ref was counting to Roy in the corner and Roy said he was all right, but when the ref turned around Roy just fell over.

Williams was basically a gate keeper. If you could get by him, you were a true contender, if not, then you shouldn't be in there with the top 10.

 

Exacly what i was intending to say...

They could recover even if a horse would have kicked them in the Jaw.

 

Exactly right. And a gatekeeper is hardly what you call "the most feared man of the era" or "an underrated win".