prime Marvelous would not have beaten Jones at 160

Hagler would have beaten Roid Jones, but the judge and ref would have been biased.

 

Youre boring.

 

one thing is for sure it would have been a damn close fight and the odds would reflect it.

 

Oh the crack pipe retort. You see it's people like you that redeem this bored from the charmless likes of Surge White.

I dont do crack. Few beers and a boxing DVD for me. Tonight I might watch SRL flurry all over Haglers big stupid looking head. Some beautiful demobstrations of pure boxing in that fight - its a lesson of boxing passed down for the ages. You Hagler lovers shouldt let your bitterness prevent you from appreciating a good thing.

 

dude, put down the crack pipe

 

I would lean on a RJJ victory, but his run at 160 was not really flawless.
He had serious problems on the ropes.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuoKco0rrYQ

Note the flush landing of lead rights and lead right uppercuts.

 

This is the most insightful post in this thread thus far.

 

Yes jones would win in a 12 round fight. But if it were the real old days hagler would stop jones before round 25.

 

What a confused set of log...

I know you dont want to interact with me, but just for my own amusement I'm going to dismantle and dismiss this absurd chain of reasoning...

That's ok dude, everybody has an opinion..

These are appeals to popularity, formal falacies, but anyway not really relevant to the issue of whether he would beat Roy JJ...

And here we have it..the 'crechendo' of the line of reasoning..the fact that Roy JJ is not popularised on lists as a ATG popular MW.

Well, gee..lol I mean the reason that springs to mind is that Roy was not primarily a Midleweight and therfore ranked by those who like to make lists under a different heading. Leonard is not rated in the top line of all time 'Middleweights', either. It can be noted though, you idiot, that Roy is often rated top 10 in ATG Middleweight lists, even though his greatest achievements lie elsewhere - at SMW where he typicaly lies top 3. Something to think about.

Were one to 'paragraph' Jones carer, however, taking the years at Middleweight in isolation (not something youd do other than for abstruce analytical purposes), it'd be found that Roys talents displayed at this level, in combination with the extrapolation that Roy could have stayed at that weight longer than he did and in fact moved up primarily because he was TOO GOOD for its competition, merely put him in the same 'league' so to speak, with top echalon middle weights.

In summary, your claim that Hagler beats leonard at Middle is defencible, but you reasoning would better appeal to a comparative survey of the two fighters respective attributes - this little List V List thing youre fond of is embarrassing.

Need any more help, let me know.

 

An elaborated reason why Heidegger thinks Roy beats Hagler..

Hagler was what I would call a sound fighter.

In that I mean he had all the fundamentals and not weaknesses - a sort of B at every variable thats in its consistency make for an A over all - that combined with his mental rougness make him very difficult to beat. As a comparrison, I sort of rate Bernard Hopkins in the vein, but in the latter years his definsive genius and right hand timing have lead me to attribute a spark of genius to his reportoire.

Fighters like this, however, are always a level below fighters like roy who have X factor boxing genius - boxers like Ray Leonard a Jones, for example.

Hagler never faced anyone like Roy. And even though they were both past their prime, Leonard showed that quick hand, footwork, and smart boxing can conquer the Hagler package no probs at all.

Jones would beat Hagler much the same way that Leonard did..using his superior hand and foot speed to hit and not get hit..a simple and predictable victory for a boxer over a puncher (not that Roy couldnt bang as hard as Hagler).

 

From some of these replys, Im getting the vibe that the half of this forum doesnt know **** about Marvin Hagler... You all need to see something other than the Hearns fight I think..

 

Dude(heidegger), like I said...crack kills...

 

Hagler,Leonard, and Hearns all beat Jones in there primes.

Hagler in his prime could box smoothly as well as apply pressure.

NOBODY ever outboxed Hearns and Roy couldn't either.

Jones is the one who feasted on weak competition aside from an overweight toney and a still improving Hopkins.

I wouldn't be suprised if Hagler stopped Roy.

 

Marvin in his prime was not slow at all. Your a dumbass who bases Hagler off the Leonard fight.