How high in the P4P list would you put Kessler?

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  1. optvpixelpusher

    optvpixelpusher Member Full Member

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    12? :yep
     
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  2. TFFP

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    Kessler is nothing like Khan or especially Hamed, thats a horrible comparison. I couldn't think of two styles that are more different.
     
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  3. catasyou

    catasyou Lucian Bute Full Member

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    Top 16-20 I think
     
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  4. smiffy

    smiffy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    what on earth are you on about ? how are kessler and hamed similar in any way ?
     
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  5. optvpixelpusher

    optvpixelpusher Member Full Member

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    Actually, comparing Kessler to Hamed should be a compliment, and yes Kessler doesn't have Khan's chin. I'm just trying to say that amateur fundamentals would take a fighter up to a certain level of competition...he usually defeats those that don't have the luxury of an amateur background but would start to show *****s in their armor against fighters with equal fundamentals.

    Put it this way...if Taylor for example or even the aforementioned Abraham fought the fighters in Kessler's resume, don't you think they'll have the same, if not better record (higher KO percentage, even a win over Calzaghe)?
     
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  6. Cruiser1

    Cruiser1 Champion Emeritus Full Member

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    Kessler hasn't a single hiccup against a B-fighter whereas some of them have struggled against these types of opponents.
     
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  7. Andre

    Andre BAD INTENTIONS!!!!!!!!!!! Full Member

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    I'd go 16-20 also, but in terms of his ability he definetly has the potential to become a top 10 or even top 5 P4P fighter, IMO he is one of the best fighters H2H today.
     
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  8. smiffy

    smiffy Well-Known Member Full Member

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    you think hamed boxed like an amateur ?
     
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  9. TFFP

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    They are not even amateur fundamentals. They are pro fundamentals. You would struggle to find 10 rounds dropped in his entire career before Calzaghe, thats impressive even against B competition where you'd expect flaws to show up even if the fighter gets a "W".

    They might have the same record, we know Kessler needs to bring it against higher competition, but thats why he isn't in the top 10. Taylor might have the same record, but why the hell would he have higher than 30 KO's in 40? He couldn't knock out JMW's, he's not a powerful puncher.
     
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  10. optvpixelpusher

    optvpixelpusher Member Full Member

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    He hasn't fought the kind of B-fighters Pavlik, Taylor, Hopkins, Jones and Toney has that's why. If he did he'll have around 6 more losses with one or two of those via KO.:smoke
     
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  11. The Phenom

    The Phenom Pretty Handsome Full Member

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    James Toney is shot to bits he would not be in the top 150,no exaggeration
     
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  12. PaddyD1983

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  13. Cobbler

    Cobbler Shoemaker To The Stars Full Member

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    Can you name the six fighters on each of Pavlik's and and Taylor's resumes who you believe would beat Kessler and which one or two would ko him? Thanks in advance.
     
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  14. ashley

    ashley Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What does A and B fighters mean?

    I would call A fighters top 25 in each division, Then B fighters would be top 100.
     
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  15. DINAMITA

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    You have no idea what pound-for-pound means. What you are saying is a common misconception, but anyone with a brain knows that it is utter garbage.

    Anyway, my top 20 p4p just now is:

    1.Manny Pacquiao
    2.Juan Manuel Marquez
    3.Joe Calzaghe
    4.Israel Vasquez
    5.Cristian Mijares
    6.Kelly Pavlik
    7.Antonio Margarito
    8.Bernard Hopkins
    9.Ivan Calderon
    10.Rafael Marquez
    11.Arthur Abraham
    12.Paul Williams
    13.Miguel Cotto
    14.David Haye
    15.Nate Campbell
    16.Juan Diaz
    17.Chris John
    18.Mikkel Kessler
    19.Ricky Hatton
    20.Chad Dawson

    So I have Kessler 16-20. I do think he has the ability to go higher if he starts fighting good opposition again at 168.
     
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