A guy who used to train me told me he seen a fight where the guy did a peek-a-boo style, just with his arms crossed, he'd step right in the inside (you couldn't hardly hit him), he'd hook the opponent, and step back out. Said he did this the whole fight, and won. This was a few months ago, and I started doing the style. I was doing Geen Kun doe, and in this position if I got close enough I could BASH somebody with a backfist (because it's right there). Then, my dad told me some old fighter use to do that, and look em up. It was later on in life Joe Frazier developed this, and I got to see the match where he used it against Ali. Ali couldn't hardly hit him, he'd hit Fraziers' glove, or forearms, and then Frazier would BLAST him with the left hook right out of the style. The only thing I wasn't doing was movement whenever I was in the style. I usually do it southpaw. I'd simply walk straight in to the opponent with my guard, or wait for them to come to me, and then blast them with the right hand backfist (my hand that's on top), or blast them with a straight left to the body that they can't see (that hand is on the bottom), or left hook/ left uppercut if I'm real close. I occasionally get caught through my guard, but usually it's them throwing punches hitting my forearms desperately while I walk right in to them. My question...How good is this style if I were to really apply it??? I have like 3 different styles right now, but wondering what the pros/ cons of this style are? Things to do/ things to watch out for? It seems like a hellacious style if your a smaller fighter...Like your a tank.
Joe Frazier wasnt fighting out of a peekabo style, just used a cross armed defense from time to time.. Peekaboo is Mike Tyson, Winky Wright, Floyd Patterson..
Jack Dempsey, Rocky Marciano, Joe Frazier and Mike Tyson were all swarmers. Brawler (Sluggers) are bad styliscal matchups for them(see George Foreman vs Joe Frazier I & II, it's on youtube). I think that Mike Tyson was the best swarmer in history skill-wise, he had great power and speed with good defence and head movement.
If you use the cross arm out of a southpaw stance against an orthodox fighter, its a guaranteed KO. You, that is... Joe Frazier got hit so much, it ain't funny.
A friend of mine really use this style all the time and he is tough to fight cause hes always on the move always putting pressure on you, he hits hard and you really have to throw punches at him constantly to keep him from you, it is a good style but he take some punches that I as a typical boxer won´t take cause I just sidestep and slip and slide his punches. however I have to say that when he has a good day, the rest uf us in the gym has a nightmare cause he hit hard. Develope the style but as you wrote you can box in three different ways, that is good, you need to be able to box in different styles, it will help you against different oponents and you can change in the middle of the fight. My old trainer use to tell me that box/fighters are the best cause they can do both. I think he´s right even if I prefer to box. Keep it up All the best The predator
A guaranteed KO...From what though? If I fight southpaw I have my right arm crossed (I keep it right under my eyes most of the time so i can see), I'm protecting my entire face. If a conventional fighter throws a left jab he's going to hit near my elbow/ forearm...Unless he grazes the top of my forehead. My left hand is crossed, and protecting my stomache. Again, if they throw a left to the body (rib) they'll hit my glove, a right they hit my forearm. Really, the only spot open on you if you wouldn't move would be your chest. I tryed it against a 6'2 fighter today with a good jab. I'm only like 5'6 btw. Kept my arms up, lots of movement, and I thought it worked quite well. The only thing that sucks about it is you have to have AWESOME reaction time/ distance awareness to be able to hit while he's hitting you. You do take a lot of punches you wouldn't normally take though because once your in that defensive style, and your not close enough to a tall fighter....They'll throw a lot of punches at you, and eventually get some kind of opening to land. Once you get in, and open up there's a lot you can throw, and so many wide variety of angles they can't see (left uppercut, left hook, straight left to the body). BTW: As for Frazier I know he took a lot of punches, but he didn't have that same style when he fought Foreman...at least the fight I saw on YouTube. The fight in 75 with Ali was the fight I seen him use the cross arm style. Dunno if that's the first time he used it or what, but first match I saw him do it.
Anytime you fight a cross arm fighter, the combination to use is two body shots followed by two head shots in this order. First, a body shot to the elbow side of the lower arm. This pulls that arm leaving the other side open. Next, a body shot to the newly exposed other side which pulls down the elbow of the upper arm in defense... leaving the face exposed. Then follow that with two more head shots making for a simple right-left to the body and a right-left to the head thrown as a single, four-punch combination. A perfect execution of it can be found in the Shavers-Norton fight. The key is to start the combo where the elbow of the lower arm is. Now, you may get away with the cross arm with a lot of fighters because they don't know what to do with it, but meet someone who knows what to do, and you can just toss it out the window. :good
lol. prepare to get embarasses when someone with better footwork angles off and fires uppercuts and body shots. seems out dated and almost useless these days.
Good explanation. I first started fighting martial arts (it was just boxing though with backfists, and things...No kicks). Now I'm doing an MMA class. SO, I don't really think I'm gonna find anybody to break my guard so tecnically sound as what you said. BTW: It's MMA, but they stand up for an hour, and box (practice kicks but don't try to kill eachother), and then rolling around for an hour. Think I'm gonna fight conventional in this style whenever fighting another conventional fighter. Had a trainer show me some pointers to the style to use that I never did. For instance...Once I step inside (I'm right in the middle of them) to keep my left arm up, and use the right (power hand) to start blasting them. I'm inside there jab so they really can't use it greatly, to close for them to use the straight right, plus I have my left hand up protecting me anyways. Also said to keep my shoulders up as much as possible without stiffening up to protect more of myself. It's just a style to try. Like I said I have 3 different ones, and I can box fine just bobbing/ weaving, getting inside and fighting, or if there the same size just box with them. Something to switch up though.
That just sounds weird. You only hit with right and protect yourself with only your left? Any fighter with just a bit of experience will move to his right (your left), away from your right hand and he will punch you with that crude, rarely known punch called "The Left Hook". There is no style that is bullet proof. That's why the really good fighters are able to adapt when an opponent found the kryptonite to their style. The Frasier style of just jumping opponents and working them on the inside will fail as soon as a bigger/quicker fighter comes along who knows how to avoid getting jumped and knows how to clinch. As seen in Ali-Frasier II, Tyson-Lewis, Hatton-Mayweather. Or once they face an opponent who's stronger and can't be bullied, as witnessed in Frasier-Foreman, Tyson-Douglas/Holyfield, Hatton-Mayweather...
He was saying to blast them with the right hand while protecting with the left. The way he explained it (of what I *could* do) is protect with the left, and use the right. Of course if I'm getting punched I'm going to cover back up, or if they get away, etc. I just SPAR right now. Don't plan on fighting amatuers/ professional so just trying different stuff. If I were fighting great fighters then I wouldn't use it because you aren't mobile enough IMO. I think it's a fun style though even though you take more shots, but lots of people don't expect it, and don't know what to do against it. ALSO, if I ever get in a street fight I'm damn sure not going to use it.
Yesterday I got to find out what you guys meant, and was very surprised. This boy around my size who fights toughmans, cage fights, etc. I just joined this MMA class last week (they focus a lot on boxing though), and I've been training for a while, but these guys are what I need to work with....They have golden gloves winners, state wrestling champ, pro boxers, a 6'7 guy who is a black belt in like everything you could name, then your cage fighters, toughman. So, this kid is pretty good that won toughman, but never figured he'd be that good. I cross my arms, and immediately he bangs me in the only opening I have in the style being conventional...He takes a step to the right, and bangs me right under my left rib. He did it one more time, and I'm like **** on this! lol I think the style works against people who don't know what to do, but this guy would have slaughtered me if I continued it. I just straight up boxed him, and IMO pretty much beat him...He was quite skilled, but had a couple big weaknesses (to defensive when your punching him, and leans a little bit).
