Harold Lederman - Like or Dislike?

Hell yeah.

 

Where did I say I was a great judge? I was talking about Lederman. Peter vs Toney I was a close fight. Deal with it. Peter vs Toney II was all Peter.

When you have seen 15 rounds of Louis vs Godoy, then we can comment. I do not think you have seen the 15 rounds but if it’s ever “ you tubed “ , I’ll be happy to show you who won each round between Godoy and Louis.

 

I gotta tell you......I don't really like his scorecards.

He tends to favor the aggressor too much, even if the aggressor is taking the large share of the clean punches.

He had Jesus Chavez beating Floyd Mayweather after 7 rounds, and James Toney and Vassily Jirov even.

One of the worst cards he had in recent memory was having Paul Williams beating Carlos Quintana in their 1st fight.

 

A little annoying, but his scorecards on HBO always seem to be of sound judgement. I don't know what fight he was watching September 28, 1976, when as one of two assigned judges for ALI-NORTON 3 he gave the fight to ALI. Come to think of it, what was the ref and the second judge thinking scoring that fight for ALI as well?:-(

 

His scoring is accurate I'd say about 8 times out of 10. Almost all the fights I've watched with his ringside analysis had the same score or close to it.

 

Decent judge. Annoying voice.

 

I don't live in america but I get hold of hbo versions of fights and more often than not I wonder what he's watching. Even in fights where the end score is the same or near the same, he seems to me to be scoring backwards. A good example is the Toney Jirov, I had Toney edging it, he had Jirov edging it. I scored for Toney's hard clean counters, he scored for Jirov missing tons of punches. He scores for 'ineffective aggression' I would say. Fighter a could throw ten hard punches in a round and land them all solidly, fighter b could throw fifty punches, land five glancingly and otherwise hit nothing but thin air, Lederman would score the round to fighter b.

 

He can be the man you love to hate.

 

Overal he's not bad as a judge, though i do think he favors (ineffective) aggression a bit too much.

But, take into account he sees everything from one fixed spot at ringside, while we see it from the right angle, closeup, etc.

 

A very nice man in person, who will drop everything to talk boxing with you. Holding a pencil and a scorecard......well, he's probably a much better pharmacist than he is a boxing judge.

I still can't get over the fact that he had Larry Holmes over Mo Harris in their fight at the Paramount in NYC......

 

I don't like him.
His scorecards are getting WORSE. By far

And that "Jim, I gotta tell ya" has got to go. His daughter's score aren't much better.

 

You're right...Julie Lederman is a stain upon boxing adjudication. Worst case of nepotism by various boxing commissions since Eva Shain was inflicted upon the sport.

 

I like him

 

Lederman judged that fight? I remember that one from the summer of 1997 on Tuesday Night Fights. Holmes has always been my all time favorite fighter, but even then I knew he got a gift that night against Maurice Harris.

 

Yeah

Didn't he have him ahead 115-113? Even Williams would have called him an idiot for that.