why are Boxers not allowed to use smaller gloves?

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  1. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    And alot of fights from the last 30 years sucked ass compared to fights from yesteryear.
     
  2. a.arthur.h

    a.arthur.h Original Lightning Full Member

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    I think that because in boxing your efforts in training and technique are all put into how to correctly throw a punch, in MMA that is usually not the case.

    Boxers tend to put their weight behind their punches because they don't have to worry about a takedown. In things like UFC they seem to be more arm punches because if you put your weight and lots of momentum behind a punch and don't knock the guy out, chances are he's going to have you on the ground. At which point you can't put the force boxers put behind their punches into your own as you are not in an efficient position.

    If I'm wrong, correct me please, I'm no expert on MMA by any means. This is just my opinion from what I've seen and read about.
     
  3. the_churn

    the_churn Member Full Member

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    Or a huge decrease in KO's based on all of the broken hands and concurrent "limp through" battles as a result of all of the hands broken across the tops of other fighter's foreheads.
     
  4. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Fair enough, but assuming you let them use the same tape job as they currently do, the effects on the hand wouldn't be quite as drastic as you think.
     
  5. Kolya

    Kolya Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Judah and Mayweather boh had 8 oz gloves on, it came down to the design of the brand they use-Judah used Everlast, which is compact and offers decent protection, but not the best; Mayweather had on Winning, which don't let you punch for **** but offer great hand protection.
     
  6. Chief_Second

    Chief_Second Well-Known Member Full Member

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    there is the physics chance that larger gloves leads to more velocity on impact than a lesser sized glove. ever been hit by 16 oz gloves??? hurts more trust me
     
  7. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Mayweathers gloves were physicall bigger, the same weight, but they were clearly a larger, less dense glove.
     
  8. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    First of all, you aren't even saying what you mean to say, velocity is speed, under no circumstances will a bigger heavier glove be faster, your thinking of force, but even then you are wrong. Bigger gloves are softer gloves, therefore any minute difference in force generated (which isn't even true, since the true "weight" of the punch has nothing to do with the gloves) would be more than nullified with the softer padding. All a heavier glove is, is more foam, more foam=more padding=less power and less force.

    And getting hit with 16oz gloves is much better than getting hit with 8oz gloves, which is fairly better than getting hit with 4oz mma gloves, which is slightly better than getting hit barehanded.
     
  9. Toopretty

    Toopretty Custom made Full Member

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    If boxers had on them hand wrap gloves that MMA guys you there would be a lot of ugly boxers out there. Boxers would walk around with missing teeth and disfigured mugs like they did in the old days. It would be a lot of broken bones and ribs. The gloves used now a days do provide better defense and guys that cant move and feint would be the ugliest boxers.. Good to have the big gloves. **** MMA little gloves and what they use. Boxing is back and fine the way it is. MMA is on a decline.
     
  10. knockout

    knockout Make my day Full Member

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    :verysad wrong it will be shorter entertinment if they were wearing smaller gloves cuts and close eyes will be more common and then the ref will have to stop the match,not going the destance,thurs disapointing a alot of people.
     
  11. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If this is directed towards me, I was saying the hand damage wouldnt be quite as bad as you think if the Boxers continued to use boxing handwraps.

    As for MMA being on a decline, thats just not true, it continues to grow every year. Zuffa, the company that owns the UFC, WEC, and now PRIDE, held the record for most PPV revenue by any company in history, although I think the PBF-DLH fight might have changed that, but that only speaks to how well both sports are doing.

    First you have Zuffa who just bought their biggest competitor in PRIDE, signed a deal to get the WEC a huge amount of airtime on Versus, and signed a huge deal with SpikeTV to continue to show UFC, along with continuing talks with HBO.

    Outside of Zuffa you have many other promotions doing very well, with Showtime investing heavily in their EliteXC brand, which now has promotional ties with other shows that are good moneymakers and popular including Hawaii's ICON Sport, Gladiator Challenge, KOTC, StrikeForce, Japans K-1, and I believe Englands Cage Rage. Then you have even more promotions that are filling the niches between Zuffa and the emerging EliteXC, such as the IFL which has regular TV airtime and quality fights with good live gates, BoDog Fights which has some problems, but more money to work with than god, and the ability to sign some of the best fighters in the world and get it both on free tv and PPV.

    Both MMA and Boxing are doing incredibly well financially right now, not only that but they are both in very important stages historically and both putting on incredible fights and entertaining fights to boot.

    There is more than enough room for both sports to coexist, and they actually both help to sell the other.
     
  12. BeaverDan

    BeaverDan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    MMA is on a decline? Who the hell told you that? You have completely made that up, haven't you? I heard only last week that it's one of the fastest growing sports on the planet. You couldn't BE more wrong, lol!

    Anyway, the OP has a good point. Being repeatedly hit does cause signifant damage to your spongy brain. Where as a smaller glove would knock people out easier and faster causing more facial damage (which is only superficial in health terms) but less brain damage.

    Maybe it's society? Perhaps people can ignore the tragedies but wouldn't be able to ignore all the disfigured faces? I'm guessing, of course. But there's a reason it changed in the first place.

    And don't broken knuckles and fingers calcify making them heal stronger? Wouldn't that negate bad hands?
     
  13. BeaverDan

    BeaverDan Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You're probably right. But I'm sure I heard some sort of white Samurai fella sayin' just that on TV about a year ago.
     
  14. Beebs

    Beebs Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Definitely not, at least not in the vast majority of cases. Guys with hand problems tend to have those problems get worse over time, the best option is usually a good surgeon and alot of time off, but most guys don't have the option of taking alot of time off, and even then, the bones are so small and fragile that they just never heal right.
     
  15. chewy 22

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    i know guys like Cinderella man James Braddock had problems with his hands due to smaller gloves, but what is wrong with, say, a Paul Maligiagni having a 8oz on his damaged hand and a 6oz glove on the left? i know it sounds silly but so long as his opponent agreed and done the same with the smaller glove on his stronger hand then surely it benifits both them, and the fans? more knockouts. Im not taking 4oz gloves. If fighters dont have hand problems why deny them the oppurtunity?