His two biggest fights, one of which is infamous in its own right, make me wonder just how good he really was and if he deserves to be held in far higher regard than he currently is. He took both Ottke and Calzaghe to SD's. It's nearly unanimous that he beat Ottke in a disgustingly crooked fight, and opinions on the Calzaghe fight are split from what I've seen. Much hate as there is for Ottke he was a very, very good fighter in his own right. Calzaghe as well. Now imagine if Robin Reid had been given the benefit of the doubt against both of them? That alone shoots him leagues beyond where he rests now, stealing the 0's of two of the best fighters of the 90's. 0's frm two fighters who are still undefeated. Thoughts? Does anyone here feel he deserved the win vs. Calzaghe?
I don't mean to be a curmudgeon but i never thought much of him. A fairly average lazy fighter with a decent generic jab right hand style. He never struck me as being an intelligent fighter at all. That Calzaghe struggled so much with him is a black mark against Joe imo. one of the fights that makes me think Joe is really lucky Dean Francis ****ed up his shoulder.
I remember watching the Ottke fight and at one point, I swear, the referee actually cautioned Reid for hitting Sven. . . . not illegally mind. . . just for having the audacity to punch Ottke in the sanctified air of his homeland. Possibly the most bias refereeing job I've ever witnessed. To answer your initial question. No. I would never consider Reid to be anywhere near "great". Nor do I consider Ottke or Calzaghe "great" either. Both were protected fighters IMO.
Reid was durable though. You described him quite aptly at points throughout that post Mantequilla. He was tough and seemed game, decent power, but never had that extra thing to propell him to greatness imo, wasnt ever gunna happen that next step. Seemed stiff at times, especially when he got over the hill, lost the hart when it got to that point, the hart for a gruelling one wasnt there anymore, i dont know if he ever had that aspect of him truly the way a Duran(example) did, it was just more he was young and up for a tear-up when he was young
I saw that incident about the ref in the Ottke fight, it happened! When i heard about it i had to see it, was a bit of an anti-climax though as i'd heard it wos the most hilarious thing ever!
I'd be interested in what everyone else thinks Of Francis actually. as a boxer-puncher i think he may have been the most well-rounded Britain produced since Conteh.A massive waste of talent.
Robin Reid wasnt a great fighter, he was a solid good fighter, deserved the win over Otke, but that doesnt make him great. Calazage fight was a toss up, I forget my score, but didnt Calazage bust his hand up anyway?
Just short of Greatness? Reid and Greatness should not be in the same country, let alone sentence. For Great to mean something, there should be no more than 30 or so great fighters in the history of the sport.