Calzaghe, Resume in perspective

PACFAN, having read your very thorough article i can see where your coming from, i suppose i was listing achievements rather than names. However, one cannot deny that his achievements are mighty impressive. And also the names that he does have were at the time big big names. Hopefully he takes on Pavlik next to top it all off

 

shut the **** up, dont click on this thread is u dont want, there is plenty others!if we wanna discuss a very big point in boxing at the moment, which is calazaghe, we can!
u can go off a discuss ur simpleton fantasy threads elsewhere.......

 

Point is, you were bringing up P4P opponents that Hatton faced as being ballsy. It needs to be mentioned that Hatton was not moving up in weight when he fought Tzsu, who happened to be pretty inactive and on the downside of his prime prior to their fight. Hopkins was ranked "P4P", not P4P among 43 year olds. His age has nothing to do with his P4P ranking nor does the fact that Calzaghe @ the age of 36 years have to do with his P4P rankings.

 

Hopkins fought outside of the USA more times than Calzaghe fought in it

 

His achievements are indeed mighty impressive. I agree, I hope he does fight Pavlik (or Dawson) as his farewell fight.

 

My point was that Hatton fought Tszyu (p4p#3) in his very 1st title shot, whereas as Calzaghe fought a guy barely even in the supermiddleweight top 10 at the time, who fought only 2 exhibition bouts in 2 years. If you don't see the difference there, then I can only assume you are guilty of bias.

My other point was that both Hatton and Calzaghe spent years (Hatton a couple, Calzaghe more) fighting in the division below the world's greatest fighter. Hatton chased a fight with him and got it by jumping a division. Calzaghe never got it by never chasing it (until the guy is shot and no-one else fancied beating him up for $$$).

Those were my points.

 

It's a good resume and underrated.

Not a great resume by any means but not as weak as some may suggest. And not all of it is his fault either, there are very few fighters which you could argue that Calzaghe should have faced throughout his career.

Yes, he should have fought over America sooner.

Yes he should have moved up to 175 sooner and fought Jones before now.

But people who class it as weak are desperate individuals. Anyone can pick holes in anybody's resume no matter who the boxer is if they really are that intent on doing it.

 

You're entitled to your opinion about Thompson but you can't take away from the fact that he was a world class fighter. It's not like he was some bum who couldn't fight. He was more of an entertaining fighter than a quality fighter but still a good pro in his own right. Plenty of guys made there way on heart and toughness alone.

Anyways, we got off subject. Calzaghe's resume is pretty solid if you ask me. If you take into account what I previously mentioned you'd be able to appreciate it more. 45 fights is a significant number. It's easy to have a slip-up and lose. Underestimating an opponent, bad camp, an injury, etc. Any of the aforementioned circumstances can lead to a loss in the pro ranks and for Calzaghe to have negotiated 45 fights without so much as 1 loss, he could have been fighting B level fighters his whole career and it would still be impressive. A look at the list of fighters Calzaghe has fought shows some capable opponents who could have found a way but Calzaghe never let them. Are you gonna say that every good opponent he faced was shot? Cuz we know that's not the case.

 

what does hopkins career have to do with this thread?

 

Great breakdown and thank you for the time you took to do your research.

Nothing else to be said: Joe C. is a HUGE FRAUD.

 

Hard to lose against cab drivers........

 

Accepted:hi:

 

I think some people see some comparison

Both stayed at same weight too long instead of going up to face tougher competition, Calzaghe up to LH to face Jones,Tarver,Johnson
Bhop not going to SMW/LH to face Calzaghe,Toney,DM and RJJ again.

Calzaghe took 9 years to unify,Bhop took 7

Before 2005/6 Bhop faced 6 former world champions during his reign Calzaghe 5. After this the gap becomes wider.

2005/6 they both faced the new up and coming talent in their divisions,Taylor and Lacy, Bhop lost and made the move, fighting big names and his stock rose, while Calzaghe won and stayed, with no major rise in stock till he fought Kessler then made the move and faced Bhop, who he beat. Calzaghe takes on Past prime Jones while Bhop takes on live Champ in Pavlik.

Calzaghe seems to have an uncanny knack for ****ing himself over by winning, losing can sometimes be a blessing, releasing the burden fighters feel and make them take more risks, even if just for monetary gains. I might be one of the few Cal fans that wished he lost the descision against Reid coz im convinced the presence of his '0' is the main reason he didnt move division and really chase the big guns, even his big win against Lacy left him stationary,while Bhop moved on to fight Tarver and Winky. And even in beating Bhop its Calzaghe that appears stagnant. As it stands his resume is very good, but as ****ed up as it sounds a couple of losses could have forced him to make it better.

 

Kessler, Hopkins, Lacy, Reid, Eubank, Brewer, Mitchell, and Woodhall are cab drivers? Surely you jest.