Sam Peter was Broken Mentally

Salty Dog · Oct 13, 2008

CHEF said:

You cant win a fight at a press conf, But you can lose.
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That sums it up very nicely. Wonder if trainers/managers tell their charges that kinda' thing. :think

Jack · Oct 13, 2008

MexicanJew said:

I enjoy analyzing the psychological aspect of boxing, and I think any real fight enthusiast enjoys that also. Boxing isnt just punching a guy over and over.
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Ignore that guy. He's a ****ing idiot. You made a really good post about the mental side of things, which are very rarely talked about in such a way. Even though I agreed with you on every point, I thought it was an interesting read regardless, and it's not often that I'm impressed by a post like that.

Well done, mate :good

FibreOptic · Oct 13, 2008

Vitali Rules!! He destroys everything he touches.

MexicanJew · Oct 13, 2008

Salty Dog said:

That sums it up very nicely. Wonder if trainers/managers tell their charges that kinda' thing. :think
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Maybe, the staredown plays a bigger role than people think.

Look at Tarver and Dawson. Tarver obviously got under Dawsons skin, but Dawson took it and went out and comprehensively beat him and then knocked him down in the 12 round. He is obviously strong mentally

Lets say Dawson was shaken by the Johnson fight though or was nervous about his chin. And then Tarver rocks him at some point during the fight, and he is winning up to that point, but then he fights scared or hesitates and it costs him.

Teddy Atlas may get ripped a lot, but it is very true when he says "boxing is 90% mental".

Skill and class aside, will and determination play a bigger part than anything else.

Odo · Oct 16, 2008

MexicanJew said:

Maybe, the staredown plays a bigger role than people think.

Look at Tarver and Dawson. Tarver obviously got under Dawsons skin, but Dawson took it and went out and comprehensively beat him and then knocked him down in the 12 round. He is obviously strong mentally

Lets say Dawson was shaken by the Johnson fight though or was nervous about his chin. And then Tarver rocks him at some point during the fight, and he is winning up to that point, but then he fights scared or hesitates and it costs him.

Teddy Atlas may get ripped a lot, but it is very true when he says "boxing is 90% mental".

Skill and class aside, will and determination play a bigger part than anything else.
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Boxing is a mental game.Determination is a very imporant part of this game.
A good example is Firat Arslan.He is a very limited fighter who cant crack an egg with his soft punches.Nevertheless,he used to keep winning fights on pure aggression and outstanding determination.He is one of the mentally toughest warriors out there.

RDJ · Oct 16, 2008

drvooh said:

Do ya think he's as mentally broken as Lacy was after fighting Joe?
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Worse, he quit.

Salty Dog · Oct 16, 2008

RDJ said:

Worse, he quit.
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Good point.

Rico Spadafora · Oct 16, 2008

I watched the replay of the fight last night on Showtime. Klitschko was literally just playing with Peter. Just about everything he threw landed some shots were hard others were just to hit the target. You could tell that Klitschko was going to go for the KO in the 9th round as at the end of the 8th he started sitting on his punches more and more. Other than Calzaghe/Lacy or Mayweather/Gatti it was the most one sided Championship fight I have seen in recent times.

CHEF · Oct 16, 2008

Rico Spadafora said:

I watched the replay of the fight last night on Showtime. Klitschko was literally just playing with Peter. Just about everything he threw landed some shots were hard others were just to hit the target. You could tell that Klitschko was going to go for the KO in the 9th round as at the end of the 8th he started sitting on his punches more and more. Other than Calzaghe/Lacy or Mayweather/Gatti it was the most one sided Championship fight I have seen in recent times.
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Agreed. Similar to Wlad in how they both like to break them down 1st and then go in for the kill.

Vitalis win over Peter reminds me of Wlad over Byrd. Didnt mater what they threw, it landed

The Phenom · Oct 16, 2008

MexicanJew said:

Now, I know there are a many threads going on about the beating Klitschko gave, and why Sam Peter performed so poorly, but as I see it, Klitschko truly won the fight by beating Sam mentally.

At the press conference, when Klitschko was holding on to the belt, Sam was already agitated by the fact that the thing was in German, foreign country and all that, but Klitschko standing there holding the belt really got to him. Mental Cut 1

And it wasn trash talk coming from Vitali either, he wasnt in Sams face yelling. But if you watch it he was just speaking to him, very quietly, with an expression Don King described as "Sinister". He got into Peters head. Mental Cut 2

The ring entrance also had to have played a part, hearing Vitali coming out to the crowds roar and then coming out to boos is always disconcerting for a fighter, it makes you feel lonely as hell. Mental Cut 3

During the first round, when Peter got caught and stunned with the first counter right hand that Vitali landed, that took the fight out of him right there. He must have had flashbacks to when he was hurt in the McCline fight for one, and two never in his career had Peter been hurt that quickly. Vitali had already imposed himself
Mental Cut 4

Peter's reaction was immediate, he never expected I think to be hit that hard, I think in a way it reminded him of Wladimir, but then Vitali wasnt Wladimir, he is Vitali, and he wasnt bothered or troubled by anything Peter threw. Imagine Peter thinking "both these brothers can beat me?!" that would affect him as well. Mental Cut 5

Look at the fight from Peters perspective. You are fighting a giant of a man, he is a whole head taller than you, looks like a Greek statue. He stands in front of you, leads you around the ring, and you CANT hit him. He leans away, counters you right back. You land a handful of punches, and they do nothing anyways. You cant even reach his head, you have to strain to look at him in the eyes, and when you look at him he knows and you know who is being dominated Mental Cut 6

and Finally, this goes on round after round. Over and over, and your corner cant tell you what to do differently, you dont know what to do differently. He is hurting you over and over and thousands of people are cheering as you get battered. Mental Cut 7

Mental Cut 8, and this is what broke Peter. You quit. You cant take it anymore, you are in pain, you can barely see, you know you are losing horribly, and you have had enough, and you quit. And whether people say it was smart or cowardly, you know in your heart that this man BEAT you, he BEAT you so badly you cant even finish the fight. You were not strong enough or good enough to finish the fight. You know it and so does everyone else. And however anyone else sees it, you know it makes him better than you, and that were the weaker dominated by the stronger.

And that is why Peter lost how he did, why he performed like he did, and that is why I dont expect him to come back the same from this loss. He is done as a champion fighter, done as a force that thinks he can beat anyone. DONE

This is why I love boxing, why I follow the sport, this is what I love to watch, and I will be damned if I didnt enjoy watching every last second of it.
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agreed:good

Odo · Oct 18, 2008

M.Alexander said:

Nice posting. Give a **** about the typical no brainers at this board.

I think your points 1,2 and 4-6 are the most decisive points in the whole affair. You could see it on Peters face. He was really shocked when Klitschko wobbled him twice within the first half of the first round. He definitely was afraid of Klitschko from that early moment on. At the press conference he wasnt happy, but he still thought he could do the job in the ring. From 1:30 Round 1 he was the loser of the night. And he knew it! He really knew it!

I don´t think the walk-in (cut 3) was something meaningful. The athmosphere in Berlin was not really hostile. Maybe a hundred boooed Peter and you can here them on TV, if the other 12.000 are quiet, but all in all 90% of the people applauded Peter politly. Not cheering him, but they were not against him. And people who make it thus far in Boxing like Peter did, boxed a hundred times abroad in "hostile" territory. That shouldnt affect a fighter at that level. Berlin was not really the cave of the lion like for example Wales is, if you fight Calzaghe.
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Well,Sam Peter for sure was on hostile territory in Berlin.Peter had never fought in front of such a huge crowd +he had never been in such an outstanding limelight with so much media attention before.Vitaly is used to this kind of stress.Sam Peter wasnt. I dont intend to claim that it had a very decisive effect on Sam Peter's performance.Nevertheless,boxing is a mind game.All the odds were against Sam Peter. A cat in gloves catches no mice,and a frightened cat doesnt go for the kill.

RonnieHornschuh · Oct 18, 2008

i know this fight is like cold coffee now but i found a couple of pics that i have not seen yet:

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TheGreat · Oct 18, 2008

Peter is one the worse WBC champs in the last 25 yrs, he had the potential but the guy is arrogant and has no work ethic, no serious fighter would show up in the shape he did for the biggest fight of thier life. This fight was lost before it even got to the ring or even the press conference, this fight was lost in the gym IMO.

Stoic · Oct 18, 2008

TheGreat said:

Peter is one the worse WBC champs in the last 25 yrs, he had the potential but the guy is arrogant and has no work ethic, no serious fighter would show up in the shape he did for the biggest fight of thier life. This fight was lost before it even got to the ring or even the press conference, this fight was lost in the gym IMO.
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I think Vitali owned Peter even before the fight. Peter could see he was in good shape and determined and unnerved-unlike his previous opponents, incl. Wlad-- so he didn't have his usual bravado--in fact, he fought scared. I had never seen him so tentative.I don't know if it was Vit's punches or frustraion with his size, but Sam was neutralized like I have never seen before .
Vitali's demeanor confused Sam and he probably didn't sleep well before the fight.

Bummy Davis · Oct 18, 2008

good pics

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