My P4P List

ohhh i thought that's what we were talking about.....then i agree with you then, p4p based off resume, and p4p based off of talent or head to head are completely different


and by the way....
11. Pavlik
12. Rafa Marquez
13. Miguel Cotto
14. Arthur Abraham
15. Chad Dawson

what justifies pavlik to be ahead of Cotto? a 2-weight division champ who's beating more then a few world champions, while pavlik's only beating 1 world champion and he's only a 1-division champ

 

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Juan Manuel Marquez
3. Joe Calzaghe
4. Bernard Hopkins
5. Israel Vasquez
6. Cristian Mijares
7. Rafael Marquez
8. Paul Williams
9. Antonio Margarito
10. Ivan Calderon

HM: Abraham, Dawson, Kessler, Pavlik, Cotto, Haye, Wlad

 

01 Manny Pacquiao
02 Juan Manuel Marquez
03 Joe Calzaghe
04 Christian Mijares
05 Bernard Hopkins
06 Israel Vasquez
07 Antonio Margarito
08 Chad Dawson
09 Miguel Cotto
10 Joan Guzman
11 David Haye
12 Rafael Marquez
13 Paul Williams
14 Chris John
15 Mikkel Kessler
16 Ivan Calderon
17 Arthur Abraham
18 Nate Campbell
19 Kelly Pavlik
20 Juan Diaz
21 Ricky Hatton
22 Jermain Taylor
23 Juan Manuel Lopez
24 Fernando Montiel
25 Oscar De La Hoya
26 Nonito Donaire
27 Steve Molitor
28 Shane Mosley
29 Joel Casamayor
30 Lucien Bute
31 Paulie Malignaggi
32 Glen Johnson
33 Wladimir Klitschko
34 Tomasz Adamek
35 Celestino Caballero

 

i was about to reply to your post seriously, but then i saw your username.

 

whys hatton so low ? he got soundly beaten by the p4p no 1, not embarrased like pavlik was . if he beats paulie convincingly would he rise up much for you ?

 

1) Pacquiao
2) Calzaghe
3) JM Marquez
4) Vasquez
5) Hopkins
6) Mijares
7) R. Marquez
8) Hatton
9) Margarito
10) Calderon
11) Williams
12) Cotto
13) Pavlik
14) Haye
15) Kessler
16) Dawson
17) John
18) Montiel
19) Guzman
20) Hasegawa

After the thrashing Hopkins gave Pavlik, I find it hard to see how people are still rating JMM ahead of Calzaghe, who beat Hopkins close but clear. JMM still has yet to actually beat a P4P-level fighter in his career. I understand the logic that some people think he beat Pac, but the rest of his resume is even worse than Calzaghe's, and people seem to ignore that.

 

Anybody who has Haye above Rafa Marquez needs to call it a day

 

:deal

 

agree with that, haye hasnt done anything to be ranked that high, and i am wanting the lad to do well. a win over enzo maccarinnelli does not make you 11th best in the world.

 

Some clown has Haye above Hatton, both Klitschkos, Rafa Marquez, Williams, Calderon and Abraham - whilst having Dawson in the top 10

Now - I like Haye and want him to do well at heavy, but beating some Sports Network WBO/WBU fraud who was....

1. Chinny
2. Protected
3. Gifted his title

doesn't take you to the brink of the top 10 :deal

 

Agree with this, I overrated Pavlik before and underrated Bhop, fair play to Hopkins but dont think its the end of Pavlik though

 

1. Pac Man
2. Joe Calzaghe
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Israel Vazquez
5. Bernard Hopkins
6. Antonio Margarito
7. Kelly Pavlik
8. Miguel Cotto
9. Cristian Mijares
10. Ivan Calderon

don't *****

 

You don't have any truck with this 'styles make fights' theory then?

 

Sounds beautiful to me but I would have questions about why Manny and Juan first and then Joe and Bernard next. Sure it ain't anything to do with the rivalry and the unresolved issues between them? Juan didn't prove more against Joel than Bernard did now against Kelly, actually Bernard knocked a P4Per out of the top 10 list, and Manny is to be the first P4P King to be an underdog in his next fight if that counts for anything.

 

Wright should be higher than Pavlik.Wlad and Calderon too low.Guzman,Haye and John all at least five spots too high.Mosley and De La Hoya are correctly placed.Mediocre list overall