Pavliks weight Issue

No, they said some months ago something about 2-3 morge fights at 160 and then go up to 168 because just like Abraham Pavlik always has big problems to come down to 160...

 

What I am trying to figure out is where you pulled that "Hopkins weighed 185" nonsense from.

 

You're thinking of this in a more simplistic way than I am. There is a reason why PBF and Hopkins made those fights at the weights they did, especially in PBF's case.

Pac84 mentioned above that Pavlik looked good in Taylor II. He did, but not as good as he did in Taylor I. He did not double the jab as much and looked more lethargic at 166. And that wasn't lost on anyone in the boxing world, including a guy a savvy as Bernard Hopkins.

Hopkins probably would have beat Pavlik even at 160. I love Hopkins, by the way, and I'm glad he won. I'm just telling you that the weight the fight is at is certainly an important consideration when making a fight. It's another way to gain an edge, particularly when you know your opponent doesn't do as well at a particular weight.

Hatton and Pavlik didn't have to move up. They did. No excuses. I'm just trying to break down all the factors involved here, and this thread is about Pavlik's weight.

 

I heard he weighed 180 at the time of the fight.

 

HBO announced Hopkins at 185 and Pavlik at 172. Thirteen pounds is an awful lot to give up at that level of the sport.

 

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The weight issue is canceled out by the fact that Bernard Hopkins is 43 years old. No reason to look slow when you are fighting a guy that old.

 

hatton and pavlik had aleady moved up to those wieght prior to fighting hopkins and pavlik repsectively, well as you mentioned pavlik fighting at 166. but that how it is, hopkins was at 170 and pavlik had mentioned moving up before when he was talking about calzaghe plus pavlik is a big mw. with hatton, he already went up to ww with collazo and he was fighting for mayweather's ww title. so at the end of the day, guys move up all the time. you dont see one guy lose wieght to fight at another guys at his wieght class at that often as oppose to guys moving up. bottom line, pavlike and hatton were beaten by better fighters regarless of wieght. and your ability to move up and beat guys is how you get highly ranked pound 4 pound.

 

Thanks for clearing that up. :good

 

Maybe. Sometimes a loss early on in a young fighter's career leaves him a second stringer from that point on. Lacy and Vargas are good examples in recent times of fighters who should have been developed, but were ultimately ruined by being brought against A listers too fast. That is to say, sometimes its the fight where you get your ass kicked, but you don't get knocked down that ends your career. I'd say the stakes are pretty high for KP in his next two fights.

And, yea, I agree Jack Leow can't really take KP any further. And, further, everyone whining about B-Hop's comments aside, he could use some defensive skills and slickness (though it is too late to make him into a slick fighter, IMO).

 

I picked KP to beat Nard based on the his youth, power and BHs performance against Calzaghe. Obviously I was wrong as after saturdays fight it is plainly obvious that a/on current form Bernard Hopkins at any weight would beat Pavlik and b/Pavlik couldn't cope with the weight jump, his conditioning looked terrible (walking about weight is a real red herring - would you back Ricky Hatton at LH or Cruiser?).

I can hear everyone shouting that weight doesn't matter, but I have had a quick trawl through records and other than Dick Tiger and Hopkins himself I cannot find one decent middleweight since the war who has jumped directly from 160 to take on someone of Hopkins class at essentially LH and been victorious.

Not only was Pavlik facing a current top 5 p4p and ATG, HoF shoein, he also had the weight of history against him.

 

Like De La Hoya vs Hopkins you mean?
Or Hopkins vs Tarver?

:think

 

180 to 174.

6 pounds is a big difference.

Even Hopkins said kelly should move down to 160.

 

Now weight is the issue? Man that’s weak! Pavlik and Loew were very confident that the weight would be more of a benefit than an issue...

The weight had nothing to do with it,It had to with Kelly's inabilty to offset what Hopkins was doing .

If Pavlik had won by KO he'd be the new king at Lt Heavy!

Please don't discredit Hopkins win with a convenient excuse!


It was lack of expereince that cost him not weight !