When Calzaghe defeats Kessler, his legacy...

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  1. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Should be viewed as superior to Kostya Tszyu's legacy. Yes or no?:think

    It's a good question as Kostya and Joe are my two favourite fighters from recent times.
     
  2. Smith

    Smith Monzon-like Full Member

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    Yes, oh yes....
     
  3. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    His legacy is already superior.
     
  4. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    I disagree KG. I think they're dead even and someone can easily make a case for Tszyu.
     
  5. Illmatic

    Illmatic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yes, I believe so. SO much longevity, and despite being a little porous, KTs reign as undisputed champ was porous as well b/c of inactivity
     
  6. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I disagree.

    They both dominated one division. Calzaghe has dominated his longer.

    They both have wins over an ATG, but Calzaghe's was no where near as faded (though not as big of an ATG).

    Calzaghe has more title defenses and he hasn't lost. That is his biggest edge.

    They both beat up and coming champions in Judah and Lacy.

    And Calzaghe has never quit.
     
  7. brooklyn1550

    brooklyn1550 Roberto Duran Full Member

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    If Calzaghe beats Kessler, then yes, I think his legacy is greater than Tszyu's - but not by much
     
  8. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Both were also avoided champions, but Tszyu managed to sneak in some superior wins in my opinion during his reign, just slightly superior though.

    JCC was at maybe 45%, Eubank was at 70%, so I agree. But JCC is a top 15. The only thing that gives Calzaghe a real edge in this comparison, is that he was very green for Eubank.

    It is indeed his edge, but I am a critical fan, even over my favourites and even though much of the period of not being able to secure legacy fights at his peak was not his fault, they still didn't happen. Tszyu smashing Judah and Sharmba twice is a nice point, then with some other wins.

    Both share a lot of domination over B level opponents...

    But Judah went on to spark Cory Spinks and become the undisputed champion, many feel Kostya really messed over Judah's career and you could agree to a point, but it remains to be seen if Calzaghe totally ruined Lacy and what Lacy can do in the future.

    If Lacy gets back to form and wins a belt and still is a key player in the division and is never dominated again like that, then obviously the Lacy win makes more sense.

    And he never will, he's a true warrior in the ring. The Kessler win secures his legacy as superior to Kostya Tszyu's, but at the moment, they're even.
     
  9. jecxbox

    jecxbox St. Brett Full Member

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    If Calzaghe gets past Kessler...he will definitely be an ATG at 168lbs....I'd love to see Calzaghe vs Pavlik/Taylor after that one as well.
     
  10. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Yes. His streak of title defenses at 168 is clearly superior to what Zoo did at 140.
     
  11. Amsterdam

    Amsterdam Boris Christoff Full Member

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    Pavlik/Taylor is an easy fight, one that wouldn't count much for legacy. Chad Dawson is the best choice if we really want a 50/50 fight.
     
  12. Guru_Too_You

    Guru_Too_You ESB OG circa '99 Full Member

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    Great post. I think that Calzaghe still needs to do some things to reach ATG status, but I also feel that Tszyu is very overrated in the same regard.
     
  13. BigReg

    BigReg Broad Street Bully Full Member

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    Don't you mean IF Calzaghe defeats Kessler.
     
  14. ZAPP

    ZAPP New Member Full Member

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    Although they both would have defeated the top challengers in their respective divisions, with Calzaghe remaining undefeated, KT would receive extra points from me for going into hostile territory (a different continent) to do it. Defeating an undefeated Judah and a very good Mitchell twice on U.S. soil holds a lot of weight with me. Even taking the fight against Hatton in Great Britain even although he was the champ. If Calzaghe wins, I would have then rate their legacy as equal.
     
  15. kg0208

    kg0208 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They are not even to me. KT has losses which negate any edge he might have in wins, and edge that I am not sure is there to begin with. And one of those losses was pretty bad. He also never tried to avenge his losses.

    And while Judah went on to beat Spinks and Lacy has done less, Calzaghe IMO destroyed Lacy in a fashion that may have caused that. Lacy isn't the same fighter and that's due to Calzaghe. And while you mention Mitchell, I would point out that Robin Reid is just as accomplished IMO.

    Those losses weight heavily (especially the first one) and Calzaghe having more defenses also gives him an edge to me. Otherwise, resume is even IMO since I don't think KT did much in the way of stepping up any more than Calzahge has.